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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 4 months ago
    Anybody who did not know EVERY email could easily be recovered has not spent any time in the IT world.

    Between the WORM drives, the duplicated to backup inboxes, the backup servers, the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly backups that have to retained for years, that are ALL retrievable is proof positive that this administration is as transparent as the Los Angeles Phone book and the American people have been stonewalled by the Media and politicians trying to save the reputation of the Whitehouse, not just for Obama for the integrity of any president to follow. Sadly, we need to not only impeach this president but set a precedent by having him charged with the Crimes he is guilty of.
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    • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 4 months ago
      Woodlema- perfectly stated. Of course they were retrievable. You don't have to be computer savvy to know this and of course the IRS would have multiple backup systems...
      Maybe if they had blamed it on the Chinese hacking into their systems,etc... it would have been more believable!
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  • Posted by wmiranda 9 years, 4 months ago
    I'm not the smartest guy in America but I'm not one of the stupid ones Dr. Gruber was talking about. However, who's going to believe the emails haven't been sanitized or recreated. They certainly had the time to do so. In American politics the real scandal is when the cover up is discovered.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago
    Will anyone believe the emails after this obvious cover up and lie are the actual emails in question? I certainly will not. If the IRS with the full might of government behind them cannot treat their backups and emails as well as the smallest of private companies can and are required to do then something is of course very very wrong.

    It is also amusing in a dark way that the NSA collects ALL of our electronic communication and keeps them for 15 years while the IRS can't keep track of its emails in even the most elementary way. Yeah, right.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 years, 4 months ago
    This is what happens when the government decides it can command the people instead of the other way. They might have well said “we got no stinking e-mails”, but of course they have and now they have been found. Of course no one in the IRS will be held responsible for their false claim that the e-mails are lost forever.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
      Exactly, but to me the question will now be: Who, at the IRS or anywhere else, really pissed off someone in the WH to the point that they could suddenly "find" the records... and who will be the designated fall-guy/scapegoat who'll be thrown under the bus...
      Business, as usual, in DC, eh? Stay tuned.

      AND, as I usually say, and said when the tapes were first reported 'missing in action,' Wait Three... days, weeks, months... for more 'truth' to surface. It works nearly 100% of the time! And everyone forgets that, every time, especially the breathless MSM...
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  • Posted by wolfsden 9 years, 4 months ago
    I would like to know about collusion with several Dem Senators. Schummer, Durbin, Reid. I think they were pressuring the IRS along with the WH.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Every supposed scandal about President Obama I hear sounds like a political reach except for this one. For some reason this smells to me like there was something crooked going on. I'm glad they're investigating it.
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    • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
      This is the only one you feel (oh wo wo wo) has something going on? Come on CG, why are you on an Objectivist site?
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
        My understanding of Objectivism (from Fountainhead and AS) is it's about owning your life and what you create with it, it's about the sanctity of your own mind, examining the universe based on observation and reason, and rejecting shibboleths / orthodoxy / group identity. It's the complete opposite of what your rhetorical question represents.
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        • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
          We are talking about the overreach of the IRS in this case, driven by officials like Lois Lerner and it appears the IT department as well as others as yet unknown, with a political agenda that is in alignment with the Obama administration. These are observable and verifiable realities.

          You seem to miss many critical points in your understanding of Objectivism. One of those is your stated support, financially, with time and with your vote for Obama and your planned same support for Hillary Clinton. Both Obama and Clinton, and whole progressive thinking is collectivist/statist, in that it uses force to violate the rights of the individual by taking from those that produce to give to those that don't. That is the opposite of Objectivism. In the below statement of Objectivist political theory taken from the Atlas Society site, Obama, Clinton and the progressive agenda violates all three of the main elements of that theory.

          The Objectivist political theory has three main elements, all of which draw upon the classical liberal political tradition. First, the foundation of the political system should be the fundamental right to live free from physical force. Second, government has the strictly limited function of protecting rights. Third, government power should be exercised in accordance with objective laws. Capitalism is the politico-economic system implied by these principles. http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivist_...
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
            "Both Obama and Clinton, and whole progressive thinking is collectivist/statist, in that it uses force to violate the rights of the individual by taking from those that produce to give to those that don't."
            I would say that about any politician who accepts the bipartisan consensus, which does not follow the three main elements you mention.

            Ron Paul was the only mainstream (i.e. in the debates) presidential candidate who didn't accept the consensus, at least from the clips I saw on the TV.
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            • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
              Did you vote for, donate money, or campaign for Ron Paul?
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                I voted in the Democratic primary for Obama. Paul would be my first choice fundraiser to attend, but he didn't have any near me. He would be my first choice fundraiser to attend a) b/c there would probably be a lot of high-tech people and b) b/c he raises questions uncomfortable for those with a vested interest in the status quo. I remember thanking some Paul demonstrators as I walked out of a Hillary Clinton fundraiser.
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                • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
                  You did NOT vote democratic, you voted democrat. Words have power and meaning, use them correctly.

                  You would raise money for Ron Paul, but you vote for obama and will for hillary clinton. That is a major contradiction. What is not a contraction between Paul and the other two? Please explain.

                  "Logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. A contradiction cannot exist. As atom is itself, and so is the universe; neither can contradict its own identity; nor can a part contradict the whole. No concept man forms is valid unless he integrates it without contradiction into the total sum of his knowledge. To arrive at a contradiction is to confess an error in one's thinking: to maintain a contradiction is to abdicate one's mind and to evict oneself from the realm of reality." - from Galt's speech.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                    "You did NOT vote democratic,"
                    No, I voted in the Democratic primary (with a capital D to distinguish it from the general adj meaning of or relating to democracy).

                    "You would raise money for Ron Paul, but you vote for obama and will for hillary clinton. That is a major contradiction. What is not a contraction between Paul and the other two? Please explain. "
                    I like Paul b/c he is the *only* mainstream candidate to get the issues of liberty on the table. That's a great reason to support/vote for him.
                    None of this is reason to alienate the mainstream political process. It would be purer only to support candidates who raise issues but won't win, and *never* to support mainstream Republicans and Democrats. If everyone did that, it would work. If not, it may or may not help more than having ties with candidates who actually win. There's also the self-interested reason of wanting to have some support among people who actually win to keep gov't off your back. Most of the people who win are not philosophers. They're personable and charismatic. I don't think they're anti-liberty. They go with what works.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 4 months ago
    Anyone that knows anything about computer systems, especially those under high accountability rules the government imposes on most all businesses, knows that it is impossible for emails to selectively and conveniently disappear from all legally required retention and normal backup procedures. Anyone that believes this is a legit excuse is simply ignorant. It is a blatant case of government big lie and refusing to abide by the law.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 4 months ago
    The most amazing part of this story is that there were THIRTY THOUSAND such e-mails.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 4 months ago
      Actually I expected a higher number myself.

      Between orders to minions, snarky gossip, and of course "cover your ass" memos and other activities multiplied by her time as a government 'crat...I expected at least 6 figures...;)
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 4 months ago
    They should all be posted on line. Let the public sort them out for free and see if there is anything in them referencing the targeting of specific groups.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 4 months ago
    Took five months to make sure ones to Obama, or referencing him were removed. These are just going to further indite Lerner or some other SES/GS-flunkies.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    What a surprise, it took until after the election to find these emails.

    Next up, the DNC realizes it's time to sacrifice O and the Kenya birth records are miraculously discovered.
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