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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 4 months ago
    Probably why Obama didn't grant citizenship, and just deferred deportation action.

    Hopefully this will precipitate a trend in the next president, reversing executive orders from prior presidencies, and dump all the executive branch legislation!
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 4 months ago
    Speaking of spoof songs that are on target (although the lyrics are too brief to explain the sordid details, the performer knows):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Si5WLM3...
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 4 months ago
      Don't see how that's on target.
      You bought a house you couldn't afford... that's your fault, not the banks.

      (speaking as someone who bought a house he couldn't afford and lost it).

      Ironic... Bank of America was one of the banks making it easier for illegals to get bank accounts.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        what is ironic is that most people with mortgages that lost homes were not overextended relative to their means, unless you disagree with any mortgages. Because the banks played fast and loose with bundling loans? we had a market crash. All sorts of good businesses and professions were hit hard. The banks bear that fault squarely for ruining good and moral people's livelihoods.
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        • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
          Perhaps... and perhaps it was the Barney Franks and Bill Clintons who changed the ethic from "everyone should have the right to own a home" to "everyone should/must OWN a home, and we'll make sure they can, one way or the other"?

          The banks bundled mortgages and loans for their own financial protection and defense in the light of the government's intrusion into the market, and THEN came the "Mark to Market" rule, which meant, essentially, that if you were a home owner and someone put a gun to your head and told you that you had to sell your house within 24 hours, how much could you get for your own house under those constraints?

          And everyone's forgotten those nasty little influences. And blamed the banks for what Barney, Bill and a herd of Congressmonkeys did to 'em.

          But that's the new, normal "American Way," and the subsequent Housing Bubble was inevitable and it happened practically on schedule.

          Unless you hate bankers and love progressives, in which case it's NEVER the responsibility of the folks who flipped their homes and treated their living quarters as Investments instead of Homes...

          Whatever. Nobody's going to remember that or change their minds based on what I just said.

          On the other hand, in '05 I sold the house I'd been living in for 24 years and moved to a less-expensive part of the country, buying 7.7x the land, 2.5x the home in square footage, and paid about 0.5x in dollars for what I bought compared to what I'd sold...

          But WTF do I know???
          :)
          Ignore me.
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          • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
            plusaf,
            I am glad you made the decisions you did when you did. and I do not ignore the govts role in this. We talk ALL the time about the government's role. I posted last week a whistle blowing story about a mortgage banker who worked for one of the large banks and that this bank anyway was well aware of what it was doing. Did it not have a fiduciary responsibility to its customers and shareholders to not undermine its very own industry? The stats are there. That is mortgage holders who had no late payments until after the financial crisis and then what happened afterwards. the only ones bailed out were banks and union employees of and the auto industry. well there were plenty of other industries which suffered as well-including non-union industries. Those people had pensions too.
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            • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
              K, a whistle-blower at even a large bank would be running up against all of the rest of the org chart above them who've got some vested interest in NOT changing the bank's procedures or policies.

              Follow the money, follow the Power and follow the people scared of that knowledge getting out to the public. Survival instinct is strong amongst humans...

              I see a conflict of interest there, too, as the banks were still in business to make profits and they were then faced with new government regulations which, in the end, made little sense but did impact their market, so their reactions were, imnsho, predictable, even back then.

              Then the government first beats them up for doing what anyone would expect them to do, then the MSM drains the logic from the process and makes the whole thing an ethical/moral issue, so facts or logic become irrelevant, as happens in nearly ALL situations (Think Ferguson, MO, for a recent example... do you burn your own city's resources down because you disagree with a Grand Jury's decision? If Ferguson thinks that's ok, they should just do away with the GJ process, at least locally, right?... morons.)

              Your statement that the banks essentially screwed over mortgagees who'd never missed a payment implies to me that such decisions were made completely arbitrarily and had nothing to do with new or changing government regulations or demands of the time. Is that what you're implying?

              As for pensioners, are you saying that it is the responsibility of anyone and everyone in the US who DOES pay taxes to be the Insurer of Last Resort for anyone and everyone whose pension might be at risk any time in the future for any reason? I agree with Hiraghm, below... I believe that one of the biggest mistakes anyone made was to proceed with Bailouts. "Too big to fail" just means that the size of "too big" will be adjusted in the future to match whatever political wind is blowing at the time.

              I don't think AR would have supported that kind of policy; do you?
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              • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
                no. everybody should have failed who would and the banks dissolved into smaller entities or absorbed by profitable banking entities. Instead even MORE regulations were instilled that caused many small regional banks to close shop and get shut down by the feds. I agree the government should have been out of it from the start both regs, fannie and freddie, and sallie. we all pay the price when legislators and regulators start playing in the market. But You do not have to be the CEO of big bank or commissioner of a new regulatory commission or...etc. of JP Morgan Bank....and so therefore-you are complicit and not outside the law. The whistle blower left when she realized what was going on. now she lives in constant fear. what's the number of young dead bankers we are up to this year?
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