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Chilling Quotations

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 4 months ago to History
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A book from Mike Rothmiller, a member of the Arizona Authors Association, my writers organization, entitled The Making of Adolph Hitler: The Child. The Man. The Monster, presents recently declassified OSS psychoanalysis documents contains some absolutely chilling quotes. What most disturbing is that Hitlers words can clear be seen in our gOvernment tOday.It's like holding up a mirror.

"How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think"

"I follow my course with the precision and security of a sleep walker."

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach."

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

I'm about 80% finished with the book and will post more as they come up.
http://www.amazon.com/Making-Adolf-Hitle...





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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
    I believe I read these in Peikoff's Ominous Parallels as well. The parallels are indeed Ominous.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
      My son has that book. He's been suggesting I read it. Maybe I should.
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      • Posted by ewv 9 years, 4 months ago
        The quotes you posted are run of the mill cynicism in politics, which is bad enough. The Ominous Parallels provides quotes, history and analysis that is much deeper and fundamental in terms of deep-rooted philosophical premises. That is the root of the 'ominous' in the 'parallels'. So yes, you should read it. You should also listen to his lecture series on the history of western philosophy, which provides more background (all the way to the Greeks) and more elaboration on the details of the philosophies in Germany and now in the US.
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    • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
      I read it also, and I agree, everyone should read it.

      My stylist was telling me yesterday that she and her daughter took her 7 year old grandson to the singalong Sound of Music production, and he was asking about the Nazi's. They tried to explain while singing along. I recommended she read Ominous Parallels.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
        ..they tried to explain Nazi's while singing along? I'm not sure singing is the best way to convey historical evil acts. (lol just sayin'.)
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        • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
          I know. She was laughing that they were trying to explain the Nazi's to a 7 year old during the performance. Perhaps a bit of prep work was in order.
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          • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
            I hope that conversation was followed up on the way home. Not that I want 7 year olds bombarded with scary facts, but plant a seed that evil can and does exist...and people go to great lengths and risk much to be free. (The Von Trapps).
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            • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
              I agree. I don't know if they followed up. I did tell her that my brothers high school girl friends parents where in East Germany. They were scientist and her mom was pregnant with her when the parents and her older brother and sister went under the wall, risking everything for freedom.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
        What you just said is nonsense. You didn't follow your negative statement with how Peikoff is wrong, in your opinion, saying it's nonsense with no counter argument is weak and pointless. If you disagree then say why and what you disagree with. How is Peikoff wrong? Would Hitler have been able to do what he did with a philosophically sound society???
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Hitler was insane by most measures, but we forget that he was a brilliant organizer and politician. He took over one of the best educated and technologically advanced nations on earth. I think there's a lot of the politically motivated and cultural Marxist that have taken lessons from him and his successes.

    Too bad that they haven't learned from his failures and the awful costs to the German people.
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      • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 4 months ago
        In what way do you think he was not insane?
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          Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
          saved his country from jewish banker rule
          returned the nation to a gold standard and real currency
          emphasized real work not bureaucrats and regulations
          took his nation out of a major depression and stopped millions from starving
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          • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
            massacred 6 million innocent people (men women and children), created a world at war killing 85 million people

            If you're going to spout neo-nazi shit then get it all out there. You're marginalizing one of the greatest butchers the world has ever known.
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          • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 4 months ago
            If you believe that killing millions of people of any cultural background is saving a country then it will be my belief that you must be at least as insane as Hitler. There is no room on this site for people like that so IMHO you should leave and not come back.
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              Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
              well yes it was war time, churchill signed a pact with Poland and refused to let hitler negotiate a plan for danzig. In the end hitler attacked. But remember the times, the communists in spain, el duce in italy, hirohito in japan, the truth of the matter is that WWI was not properly resolved and Germany would have run its course regardless of Hitler or not. But didn't churchill kill as many people as Hitler? Last I checked he did. What about Hellstorm the atrocious starvation of germany after the war by the USA? What about Dresden, burning 200,000 women and children to death by the usa - for little reason. What about america and hiroshima and nagasaki killing millions. Does that mean Truman should have been arrested? I don't understand how you reconcile one and not the other.
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  • Posted by JanelleFila 9 years, 4 months ago
    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

    Ooh, that's an awful one and so true. If someone repeats something as "fact" long enough, eventually you start to doubt your own thoughts and experiences. Little kids are masters of this practice. Unfortunately so are governments.
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      Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
      The false Goebbels quotation above is actually a take-off on Hitler's familiar statement in Mein Kampf, which is often misunderstood. Hitler stated:

      “In this they [the Jews] proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

      Hitler is accusing the Jews the Vienna press of this strategy. It is often taken as evidence that Hitler advocated the “Big Lie.” He is, in fact, accusing his enemies of lying.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 4 months ago
    "The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!"
    Adolf Hitler
    Mein Kampf
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      Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
      This is not a good translation. It should read "The NSDAP must not be a follower of public opinion, but must become the master of public opinion."

      This is a lot less nefarious than the terrible Mannheimn translation and misquotes.
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
        re: "This is not a good translation. It should read "The NSDAP must not be a follower of public opinion, but must become the master of public opinion."...

        ... and for some reason, you actually believe that that translation is LESS evil or dangerous to personal freedoms than

        "The [Nazi party] should not become a constable of public opinion, but must dominate it. It must not become a servant of the masses, but their master!"

        ?!?!???! Wow. Just Wow. So, do you consider yourself a neo-Nazi or a member of one of the new Nazi-oriented 'parties' of SE Europe, or a skinhead, or a White Nationalist in Amerika?

        Your rants are characteristic of a paid troll or a terribly misled and brainwashed individual.

        Tell us more about how you came to those beliefs and opinions, but please... don't say you reached them as rational conclusions based on objective readings of the texts... the roots of those views started much earlier and deeper in your past.

        Thanks.

        THEN, please go away.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    Most dictators who rule repressive regimes think pretty much the same way. One of the key characteristics is their lack of empathy. If they have feelings for any class of humans, they will be unable to sustain their agenda. I found it interesting that in the past, I talked to a fellow who designed tests which would indicate how good or bad a potential salesperson would be. It turns out that the key to the most successful salespeople is their lack of concern for their customers except as to how far they can go before reaching a point where their customers are completely overextended. It encompasses an amazing degree of relentlessness. So, when listening to a salesperson, or a politician, keep in mind at all times, what's in it for them?
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 4 months ago
    When the psychoanalysis documents are released about our current administration they will read very similar to these. I can see it in fact almost everyday and on practically every subject.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    The first one is the most telling. Why? because those who work if that is what you want to call it in government are products of the school system that has not taught the student body to "think".This situation did not just start; it has been going on for years. I am now reading Ayn Rand's Objectivist Newsletters" which you can get in book form. What she observed during her years and obviously wrote about is as valid today as it was when she wrote or spoke the words. 0 did not start the ball rolling with respect to not educating the population of the country he has just advanced the program further than his predecessors. Yes, the Ominous Parallels is a perfect example of a book that gives us an excellent education and shows us clearly where we are going. Thanks for the mention LetsShrug. It matters not how many times what is said on this site it either falls on deaf ears or it never enters them in the outer world that surrounds us.
    What i do know is that the world that I personally was born into at the start of WW2 no longer exists other than the land.
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    • Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
      and why not enunciate all that has changed to America since then once we signed our pact with the jewish bankers. From 90% europanic to 60% and on course to be 20%. Huge endless crime murder and rapes. A prison population out of control, a dollar devalued 90% and 10% inflation per year, and a negative GDP save for one quarter in 14 years. Why not talk facts and not balderdash - when you remove the civilized european from his own nation the nation descends into rape and rubbish and beheadings as we have seen in Ferguson
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      • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
        Oh, sorry, I missed Anti-Semitic, above, too...

        Look, kid... if the fraction of the world population that considers themselves Jews has had such power and control over ALL the rest of the peoples of the world, there is one possibility you're not considering...

        the few Jews are MUCH more COMPETENT than ALL the rest of the folks that outnumber them.

        After all, if there were, out of umpteen billion OTHER groups on earth, enough competent people, they would, by sheer competence and numbers, have overwhelmed any Jewish 'influence and control' hundreds, if not thousands of years ago.

        What's wrong with YOUR picture?
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          Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
          I don't think its competency as much as it is a secret pact to work together against non jewish people which often blindsides people to whats really going on. I do admit, it's a very powerful technique, and the holohoax and shaking down our government for billions which they then use via aipac to extort our politicians, again it is brilliant. If that was enough for them, they would probably be a boon to any culture, but they push massive immigration out of a bestial fear of white people in the hopes that a destroyed host nation will not be able to remove them. It again, is a very effective strategy. But it's still sickening and has utterly destroyed america for all time. the establishment of the fed as a private bank to issue our currency as debt is the fundamental jewish game writ large, and has let them siphon off trillions from us, and now we have lost vast amounts of wealth because of this while only a few in on the game prosper. They had a good run at it while they controlled the media, we will see what they can do now that the internet has exposed them. I guess we just bend over and take our rapes happily as impoverished slaves in a broken nation since they are so competent at it. There has been no wage growth for the middle class for forty years now. It is an interesting model for a nation America has become.
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          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
            Oh, bullshit, gg... just like Heinlein's Law... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," any 'secret pact' can masquerade as an explanation for abject incompetence, too.

            Do you participate in every conspiracy theory group that comes along? Do you tend to surround yourself only with people who agree with your positions and beliefs? Those are the characteristics of a cultist.

            Yeah, wages may not have kept up with whatever ramp rate you find acceptable, but this video seems to show that the "fellow 'Murkins" that LBJ used to refer to haven't done ALL that badly over the decades... give it a look... He counters your claim in the first minute or two.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkebmhTQ...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    When I read "The Stones Cry Out" last year, a first-person account of living under Pol Pot's regime, I also saw quotes from the Khmer Rouge as they were slave driving the kids that were right out of modern times.
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  • Posted by H2ungar123 9 years, 4 months ago
    Re: Books: Understand Ayn Rand's "Ideal" -
    written in 1934, but never published, will be
    released July 7th, in hardcover and paper
    back, according to the New American Library. This is her first novel since AS was
    published in '57....Cannot wait!!

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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 4 months ago
    “No. SS means no more in Germany than being a Democrat in America - See more at: http://www.subvertednation.net/general-p.... I was looking for a better quote from Gen. Patton but I figured this will do. Patton was way ahead of his time in saying this. Unfortunately, if he was alive today he would have been fired like Eisenhower did to him, BHO would have too! Like he has done to most our excellent military leaders because he is afraid of them, so now to back up his regime has created his "SS" in Homeland Security and the States: State, County and local Police Departments his "Brown Shirts". The Democrats are the "National Socialist Party". The Republicans are becoming the 'Social Democrat Party". BHO was quoted as saying the "the Christians are no longer the major religion in America" (paraphrased). Now, the Christians are have become the "Jews" like in Nazi Germany. BHO has now become the Supreme Mullah aka Chancellor of the United Socialist States of America.
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      Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
      Patton was going to expose everything so they killed him. The russians were dogs who RAPED their way across Europe. The Allies allows the black morroccans to RAPE the women and little girls of Montecito in italy, and now the jew run masters allow the negroids to rape 40,000 americans a year and we do nothing.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
    Be very careful with such comparisons.
    Drawing parallels between things that everyone can see because they are evident are great - helps us watchdog our government and other things.

    You did NOT cross the line into saying someone was like Hitler or a group was like Nazi Germany.

    People that do that only demonstrate their utter lack of understanding of what Hitler and Nazi Germany was as well as their lack of understanding of the individual or organization they compare to Hitler and Nazi Germany.

    It's contemptible to do that. Let's not go over that line.
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    • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 4 months ago
      Actually the progressive movement in the US drew from many of the same philosophical roots as fascism in Italy and Nazism in Germany: Bismark's mobilization of the Prussian state as well as the American Pragmatist school of philosophy. The three political sisters were on excellent terms until the mid-late 1930's. The progressives here even championed significant eugenics programs in the US including forced sterilization of "undesirables". FDR's model for government was not too much different than Mussolini's. Each one had differences based on the nation in which it took root as well as some of their other influences, but a number of comparisons can be accurately made.
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      • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 4 months ago
        That’s understandable because the progressive movement in this country was undertaken by young immigrants that came in waves first from western than from eastern european countries.
        Many of those serving in FDR’s cabinet came up through the ranks by working side-by-side with socialist-immigrant organizers who had worked on behave of laborers, (mostly young immigrant women). The flashpoint was at the height of the women's suffrage movement.
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  • Posted by LITTLERED1977 9 years, 4 months ago
    There is no doubt in my mind that Hitler created his army solely for the purpose of defending Germany's borders. The problem was, Hitler kept redefining the borders.
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  • Posted by radical 9 years, 4 months ago
    "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" published in 1960, if you can find it, is recommended reading.
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    Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
    Hitler was a great man who liberated Germany from zionist bankers and horrific reparations, re-established sound money, and it was only AFTER Britain bombed civilians in Germany that Hitler retaliated, it was only AFTER Britain rejected Hitler's numerous peace offers that Hitler went to war. Will you people stop your brainwashed sheep drivel and learn a thing or two rather than watch zionist anti-hitler propaganda
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 4 months ago
      Please tell me where we went wrong ? Please tell me where we behaved in a manner that a nazi-sympathizer felt comfortable here?
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        Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
        Nazi Sympathizer? The NSDAP provided:
        an end to zionist banking cartels
        a sound money system
        lifted people out of poverty
        sought to unify its divided people

        Obama seeks:
        endless war
        poverty for his people with endless immigration and overspending on military
        to keep the banking cartels fed and happy with bailouts
        endless taxes and regulation

        If you think there is something wrong with supporting the policies of the NSDAP vs. what we have today in America there is something you don't understand about ayn rand's principles

        for the record, I am no "sympathizer" those are your words. I simply am correcting misquotes and lies which are part of a zionist propaganda attack against American prosperity and freedom.

        A relentless system of brainwashing and lies that has been so succesful in America that we have utterly lost our nation.

        If you don't understand what really happened in WWII they you can't possibly understand Atlas Shrugged.

        Who was prisoner 350125? Why was he kept in solitary for 60 years then murdered prior to his release. Why was he kept hidden away and not allowed to speak. Why were his two defendants at trial murdered before they could testify? If you don't know who 350125 is, you know nothing at all about where America is today.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 9 years, 4 months ago
    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."

    Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Kenya.
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    Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
    That's ridiculous. These aren't hitlers words. Prove they are.
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    • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 4 months ago
      Proof enough?

      How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.
      Adolf Hitler

      I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker.
      Adolf Hitler

      Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

      Adolf Hitler

      All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.
      Adolf Hitler

      Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/author...
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        Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
        No it isnt. What is the source. Where was it published. Who witnessed it. Is it just hearsay? None of this would hold up. neither do second hand intelligence agency docs who have agendas. show real published documents or televised speeches or radio address Hitler made thousands of them. Your wonderful "brainyquote" site lists nothing and lists hitlers occupation as "criminal" what a joke!
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        • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 4 months ago
          The History channel used to play a good many of Hitler's speeches. Have you checked those sources? It's him in his own words..
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            Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
            Many of his great speeches are now on youtube with subtitles. He is nothing like the monster we were told he was. He was a rational thinking caring vegan who cared about his people and their prosperity, unlike the last 100 years of madmen who have ruled amerika (with JFK being a rare exception)
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            • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 4 months ago
              Have you ever visited a Nazi concentration camp in Europe?
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                Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
                do you know it was the zionist leaders who refused plan after plan to relocate the people there and the vast majority of them could have easily had free lives were it not for that? Do you know they died from starvation caused by allied bombings of supply lines and typhus? Have you visited the japanese concentration camps in America?
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          Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
          How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think. " - This alleged quotation by Adolf Hitler is on over 1,700,000 web pages. I think it is a fabrication, but am still investigating. It is not in Mein Kampf, nor in the Domarus edition of Hitler’s speeches. None of the pages that cite it gives a reliable source. Several cite a book that has it, but said book provides no reference to an original source.
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    Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
    Wilson and Roosevelt were both communists who sided with Russia and funded them, sent weapons and money, built tank factories there with our money. We fakes pearl harbor to get into war with hitler we wanted to so badly because the jewish banking cartel must never ever be dismantled. After hitler dismantled the cartel, his people propsered. His people were in chopped up false national boundaries and he sought to restore them peacefully offering Poland three different plans, all rejected, to allow people in Danzig freedom. Only then and after many attacks did he retaliate against Poland. Learn history folks, watching a few quotes in zionist propaganda movies out to demonize the only man ever to shut down their cartel and live (for a while) is not learning.
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    • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
      And here is the big reveal, folks:

      ggiavelli - you complain about the Zionist propaganda. Please post one to three sites that tell the truth as you see it and have just stated it that back up what you are saying with evidence.

      Surely there is at least one that has evidence, not just accusations.

      (Now, we wait. When and if the post comes, read the OTHER stories connected to the site - make up your own mind).

      We're waiting, ggiavelli - surely that's a fair challenge.
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        Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
        Post a site that tell the truth as you see it? I do not use the web as a truth source my dear, research, study, learning. History is not for the invalids.
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        • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
          Then post the sources, hon.
          I have a library well over five thousand books, so even a poor invalid like myself can read a bit.
          We're still waiting.

          And NO, please keep track of the pronouns, or use quotes to avoid confusion: One to three sources as YOU (ggiavelli) see it.

          Surely you have some. It isn't just coming out of your imagination, is it? Go ahead and enlighten us.
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            Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
            I've already posted multiple references discrediting these so called "quotes of hitler" what more can I do? There is no attribution and they are well known as frauds. You can't be asked to prove a double negative, it is the asserting party that must make the proof not I.

            I have provided corrected translations of the few quotes which are hacks of what was said in Mein Kampf and show how much are misquotes and misleads. If that isn't evidence enough for a proper holding of my statement then you are simply a madman incapable of anything.
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            • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
              I'm sorry, hon - I'm not psychic nor is there a way to double check where those posts are on this site.
              Then I have to say you have made some hollow accusations, have no evidence you're willing to post and that historians have pretty much debunked your statements quite completely.

              You have no sources, so I have to assume that most of this comes out of your head and hate sites, which I have read extensively as well as the sites debunking them.

              When someone makes extraordinary claims, they are responsible for backing them up if they expect acceptance.

              We owe you nothing in terms of belief, hon.
              And changing the subject to "quotes of Hitler" when I asked for something entirely different is deceptive - don't do that.

              You lost us when you pulled out the "brainwashing" routine. That's the standard response from conspiracy theorists - we're all sheep, no evidence is needed, we should all just believe because "it fits".

              What utter nonsense. It's a cheap way to evade debate and debunking.

              The only thing down the conspiracy rabbit hole is rabbit pellets and the people who think eating them will make them bigger than they are.

              Easiest way to deal with conspiracy theories is to read all sides:
              1) FIRST the primary sources; not the conspiracy sites, not the debunking sites;
              2) SECOND AND AFTER, read the debunking sites by searching:
              (name of conspiracy)+debunked
              3) THIRD AND LAST, read the conspiracy sites (YES, DO read them, read all sides).

              Try not to laugh too much.
              And when you don't even have any sources to back up either side, just walk away - no reason to believe yet another rant on...yep, the internet, not the best source for truth, as ggiavelli agrees.

              Funny how the brain washed people like sources and reading about ALL sides.

              Revealing, that.
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              • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
                As soon as by one's own propaganda even a glimpse of right on the other side is admitted, the cause for doubting one's own right is laid.
                Adolf Hitler

                It is not truth that matters, but victory.
                Adolf Hitler

                Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong.
                Adolf Hitler

                The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force.
                Adolf Hitler

                The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
                Adolf Hitler

                The victor will never be asked if he told the truth.
                Adolf Hitler

                Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise.
                Adolf Hitler

                Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.
                Adolf Hitler

                Shall we explore Hitler's writings more? There is much that could be said for Hitler - he saw the dangers of Russian Communism far sooner than anyone - he wanted a united Europe against that, he wanted what was best for his people (IF they fit the mold of his idealism).

                Perhaps genocide is justified.
                Perhaps we should get rid of all the bigots.
                They seem to embody the very traits they themselves complain about.
                Rather than competing, they whine about others that are more successful.

                Just a thought.
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                  Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
                  You posted ANOTHER FAKE QUOTE ! JESUS

                  George Seldes' The Great Quotations. The source cited by Seldes is an item in The Nation by the popular American journalist and author John Gunther (1901-1970).

                  In fact, this is a version of a remark attributed to Hitler by Hermann Rauschning, whose imaginative work is a source of many phony "quotes." Another fraudulent Hitler remark in this same spirit and from this same source, likewise cited by the supposedly authoritative Seldes, is this: "Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism ever invented for its own destruction."

                  These remarks misrepresent Hitler's real views. In fact, National Socialist Germany was a world leader in science, learning, technology and medicine. Hitler was admired by some of the leading intellectuals of the age, including Knut Hamsun, Ezra Pound, Louis-Ferdinand Celine and Martin Heidegger.
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                  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
                    Odd as it may seem to you, the book I posted about is using OSS documents derived from speaking to eye witnesses, associates and friends of Hitler to produce a psychological profile in 1943. This profile was scanned (unaltered) into the book with all of its citations and makings. It is not presented in such a way that the author injects his opinion and is presented as it should be - factually and in their own words. Perhaps you should check it out.

                    I suppose like Thomas you need to put your finger in the hole to ensure its real. Should this be the case and should you get your wish, I hope your ethnicity meets muster. You see, I have several family members that served in the US Army, one in the Soviet Navy, and four that I know of who were in concentration camps (2 of which survived to come to America). It no far stretch for me to see this degenerate speaking so arrogantly when contrasted with the numbers tattooed into my deceased great great aunts forearm.
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                  Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
                  why are you posting more quotes without sources. WHAT PAGE WHAT BOOK WHAT!
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                  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 4 months ago
                    I could use the same evasions you used.
                    I won't. Here is my response.

                    http://thepondsofhappenstance.blogspot.c...

                    "The quote from Hitler comes from privates conversations recorded by Hermann Rauschning and published in his tome The Voice of Destruction. The authenticity of the quotes Rauschning attributed to Hitler has been called into question a number of times, both by Nazi sycophants and serious scholars. A search on the internet will find various pages insisting that the quotes from this work are fraudulent. But the basis for such arguments is a misunderstanding of what Hitler is saying and ignorance of the full context of the quote, by and large. For instance, the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review says the following about the above quote:

                    Another fraudulent Hitler remark in this same spirit and from this same source, likewise cited by the supposedly authoritative Seldes, is this: "Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism ever invented for its own destruction."

                    These remarks misrepresent Hitler's real views. In fact, National Socialist Germany was a world leader in science, learning, technology and medicine. Hitler was admired by some of the leading intellectuals of the age, including Knut Hamsun, Ezra Pound, Louis-Ferdinand Celine and Martin Heidegger.

                    The blatant Nazi hero-worshiping aside, the suggestion here is that Hitler was all for open education. And he was. But only with regard to the people who were entitled to it. The quote reads as quite genuine, fully consistent with Hitler's world-view. Arguments that it is somehow contrived ring hollow, to say the least.

                    If one reads the quote in full context, it is clear that Hitler is speaking of what he calls the "Herren-class," the lesser peoples of those regions he is intent on conquering. His point is that Marxism is wholly wrong in its idea of a classless society, that there are and must be classes. Always. And while education is a good thing, access to it must be limited, based on class. As he says just after the above quote (my boldface):

                    There must be only one possible education for each class, for each subdivision of a class. Complete freedom of choice in education is the privilege of the elite and of those whom they have specially admitted. The whole of science must be subject to continual control and selection. Knowledge is an aid to life, not its central aim. We must therefore be consistent, and allow the great mass of the lowest order the blessings of illiteracy. We ourselves, on the other hand, shall shake off all humane and scientific prejudices. This is why, in the Junker schools I shall found for the future members of our Herren-class, I shall allow the gospel of the free man to be preached— the man who is master of life and death, of human fear and superstition, who has learnt to control his body, his muscles and his nerves but remains at the same time impervious to the temptations of the mind and of sciences alleged to be free.

                    Thus for Hitler, there are two kinds of education: the unlimited access to knowledge that is the privilege of the elites, the Aryan master-race, and the controlled, selected knowledge the lower classes are allowed to receive, just enough of it to convince them that they are free men (when of course they are no such thing)."

                    I've seen the sources for your claim that is fraudulent, which they claim without any evidence to debunk the quote's authenticity other than a claim it misrepresents Hitler's views, when in truth, based on his writings, it does not even do that.
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                Posted by ggiavelli 9 years, 4 months ago
                I provided direct corrections from the ford translation of mein kampf showing that two of the statements are wrong. They are easy enough to check. I have yet to see a SINGLE counter to that.
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