Live discussion during Obama's declaration of amnesty for illegals

Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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As much as the Emperor-in-Chief has done to ruin this country, tonight is likely to take the cake. We will have a live reaction to an "executive action" that ought to be in AS: Now Non-Fiction.


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  • Posted by RBrowntn 9 years, 4 months ago
    My wife is British. We spent over $9k and 3+ years dotting every "i" and crossing every "t" to get her here legally under a K-1 Visa. This included required medical exams and an exhaustive waiting process along with interviews here and in London. One misstep in that entire process can earn you a denial so we were very careful.

    O'amnesty is a direct middle finger to those of us who followed the law and subjected ourselves to the invasive process, background checks and government fees required to become a legal immigrant. This plan just gave fast lane access to living here illegally - legitimizing criminal behavior at the expense of citizens and legal immigrants alike.

    With the rise of UKIP back in Britain and fall of the labour party, the grass really is suddenly looking greener over there (and not just because of all the rain). Too bad the US is the only country on earth that taxes it's ex-pats no matter where they live.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
        Thousands of people go through the immigration process a year. Mexico has very stringent rules on immigration. People will stop taking our immigration laws seriously if the President can just wave them away with his magic pen. oh, and minus one for the ad hominem attack
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 4 months ago
    A tantrum thrown because he didn't get his way. They always say, we need to debate these problems, but what they really mean is we need to continue to force a debate until we get our way. The "system" is only broken if you consider those not enforcing the laws as they exist the "system". What is broken is the enforcement agency, since they are failing. Why have Visas if we aren't rounding up those that overstay?

    Sure, we could, and probably should rework the laws and streamline the process for legal immigration, but that does not grant our POTUS imperial powers. He is sworn to uphold the laws, not rewrite them, ignore them...

    This will only encourage more illegal immigration, lying about time here and multiply the forged papers. Why are we granting citizenship to someone born here when both parents are foreign nationals? How many other nations do this?

    The precedent: I wonder how he and his sycophants would feel about a Republican or Independent President deciding not to enforce IRS tax collection/audits on the 1%...
    Truly Imperial. Stick a fork in this "Republic." It is done... :(
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 4 months ago
    So that I can actually work during Obama's speech, as opposed to throwing a brick through my television, I am going to listen to Mark Levin's interspersed comments amongst the inglorious leader's diatribe.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 4 months ago
    I watched the speech because I heard it would last 11 minutes and I wanted to catch comments about it on the O'Reilly Factor. There is one line made by the Emperor that had me diving for a note pad and a pen I keep by me when I watch TV. This is part of what his highness said while addressing illegals:
    "You may stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation."
    That statement struck me as very contradictory, since I do believe they all want to stay here permanently.
    Oh, well, the royal pain was moving his lips again.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 4 months ago
    Glenn Beck was talking this morning how "for the first time" we put King before law in the US.

    I would like to know where he has been on the issue of immigration for the last 50 years. The rule of law has not been followed and kings have granted amnesty before. Certifiably not the first time.
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
      First to bypass congress to do it.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 4 months ago
        Well, when the EPA was formed it was done by presidential decree as well. No vote ever occurred to form that government agency.

        While not the same subject matter (so perhaps not in line with the words, but with the thoughts of my post) this is not the first time a president has done through executive decree what should require a congressional vote to get done.

        I also do not see much difference if the President ignores the law or congress does it. Both are ill legal unless they change the law. President Reagan did not get the law changed, he simply got congress to agree to pay no attention to the law.

        If its the president or the president and congress that choose to ignore the law its still the same. We need to change the law or live by it. I think immigration law needs major changes, not to be bypassed once again.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    I wish Congress had taken this action. I like the action, but I'm concerned about executive power. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like the Executive branch gets more power all the time. The next president may be someone I don't agree with, and she/he will have these powers.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 4 months ago
      How do you respond to those who came here legally and obeyed our laws? Many of them are extremely upset at this.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
        "How do you respond to those who came here legally and obeyed our laws?"
        I don't have the answer, but we can't keep looking the other way. We have possibly >10 million people here illegally. If we're going to have rules about who comes here, we need to enforce it. After decades of ignoring the problem, do we start a massive project to catch and jail millions and anyone who knew or should have known they were hiring them or abetting them in some other way? Maybe that should be part of it. It seems to me, though, we should put our efforts into preventing the problem and doing some sort of amnesty and path to a work visa for all the people who have hired illegal labor and for the undocumented workers caught up in it.

        A few years ago we didn't hire our first-choice nanny because she said she couldn't be documented. She offered to work extra if we would just pay her under the table. It turned out she was legally here with her husband who was in school but not allowed to work. Imagine that. We want people to work, yet we have spouses of students who are allowed to be here but can't work. Many people told us going Zoe Baird is the standard way to hire nannies. Our attorney and accountant told us that's often true, but it doesn't make it legal. We ended up paying more, having to do the usual payroll hassles of SUTA, 941, WT-6/7, and W-2/3s that we do for people at work. I have no high regard for those who took the easy route. But we desperately need steps, even upsetting steps, to get to a place where we have rules about who can be/work here and we follow them.
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