U.S. ARMY U.S. Army Techniques Publication 3-39.33: Civil Disturbances August 15, 2014

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I was reading an article that mentioned this publication from the army that deals with civil unrest. I wander if these techniques will be used in Ferguson?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 5 months ago
    Wow! They really set the stage from the very beginning - I quote: "Demonstrations, public disorder, and riots happen for a number of reasons. Some of these reasons are economic hardships, social injustices, ethnic differences"

    Seems like they are justifying any use of force inside CONUS based on just about anything.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 5 months ago
    In 1.1, Tyranny is not mentioned as a cause of civil unrest and demonstrations.

    These techniques will be used on a selective basis. Collectivists like Occupy Wall Street will be treated with kid gloves and fed caviar while people demanding their Constitutional rights will be treated with Apache helicopters and fed 7.62 mm rounds.

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    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      I agree. I have been wondering if they would be activated in Ferguson. Clearly there is going to be "civil unrest". In the event the grand jury does not bring charges protestors are going to be organized and violent. The response will be interesting.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
        I'm afraid Ferguson is about to do a final Krakatoa. I know that cop shot that "myth of the gentle giant" (got that from Rush) in self defense after his face got pounded. Predict that will be the verdict.
        I also predict something very bad is definitely waiting to happen there as a result.
        It will have nothing to do with justice but with revenge for past wrongs.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
          I thought they should announce the Grand Jury reached their verdict and it will be announced on Monday. Then announce that it was a mistake and they haven't reached a decision yet. That way law enforcement can see how organized the protestors are.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
            Thanks for the update. New dino thought: Did the Ferguson powers that be not want their verdict to in any way influence the outcome of the midterm elections?
            Other inquiring minds may want to speculate. Others may say, "Shut up, you stupid lizard, you're off topic."
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            • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
              That is possible but I think the concern is the protests. If news reports are correct no charges should be filed against the officer. It's a difficult spot to be in. If they do the right thing the town will erupt.
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              • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
                The cop is already in hiding. He even failed to show up to appear in court over some arrests he has made.
                Oh, well, I predicted here when all this mess started is that the poor dude will have to find a way to disappear. There is no attacking black felon white shooter protection program.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 5 months ago
        At most, the NG will be called out to ring the area and not let it move out from there. But if you're a business owner or a white home owner, expect not to be protected.
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  • Posted by barwick11 9 years, 5 months ago
    You do know George Washington called in the Army to deal with the Whiskey Rebellion?

    This isn't new. Most of the people in Ferguson are pretty peaceful. A little (ok, a lot) misguided, but peaceful. But there's some agitators, and when agitators get in a bunch, they stir up trouble, and get some of those peaceful people to do stupid stuff.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 5 months ago
      The problem is that the locals have been propagandized by the race mongers to believe that this was an intentional murder.
      And they've been so emotionally charged that no "facts" are going to dissuade this perspective.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    Whoever wrote this crap knows not very much about the Constitution, the military, actual crowd control experience, sniper experience, and the purpose of the military. It is stupid and scary at the same time. If these instructions are typical of the regime, we should all be afraid, not only because of it's intent, but because if this is an example of military procedure, we may be shot by a 2nd Looey misunderstanding an order.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 5 months ago
    It seems to me that this is just a review of long established regulations and procedures. The tone of the article seems reasonable as well.

    Jan
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 5 months ago
    Why would our army be discussing civil unrest in our own country. I believe it to be unconstitutional.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 5 months ago
      The only rationale would be that this is meant for the National Guard, not the national military. Posse Comitatus would prevent the national military from enforcing state laws, and I'm not sure that there are federal laws against rioting.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 5 months ago
        The National Guard is federalized, and serves the state at the behest of POTUS. The minute POTUS, or a simple commander in the chain to POTUS says so, the National Guard is just the Army.

        John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on October 17, 2006, amends Posse Comitatus.

        The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

        ...wupps. I missed that one too, until I looked into your note about the restrictions of Posse Comitatus.

        This fear of terrorism has gone way too far!
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  • Posted by xthinker88 9 years, 5 months ago
    You've got to love how they list employment of armed responses against unarmed civilians. Interesting how a US Army publication advocates outright murder.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 5 months ago
    Look up the Insurrection Act (passed in 1807 folks), and you'll see this shouldn't be a surprise. What is astonishing is that the only President who's ever used the executive powers available under this act was Lincoln. The military is only responding to its obligation to obey the orders of the civilian leadership when it plans for such an eventuality. People are often confused about how readily available such authoritarian power is to the American President, wailing about how the Posse Comitatus laws prevent such action. The P.C. laws only prohibit the military usurping the role of law enforcement in the absence of evidence of insurrection, but when the President declares such insurrection exists, all bets are off, and P.C. restrictions are meaningless.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
    This reads like gov't bureaucrats writing the facts of dealing with protests in a dry gov't-manual style. I don't think it's part of a conspiracy.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 5 months ago
      A conspiracy would suggest that it is being done in secret. This is being done openly but I still disagree with it.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 5 months ago
        I didn't read the whole thing. Is it trying to poke holes and exceptions into the rule against the Army performing domestic law enforcement? I strongly disagree with the military doing law enforcement. They need to keep a mindset of fighting an enemy, and police can't have that mindset and do a good job.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 9 years, 5 months ago
    Well given the Pub Date and Obama's reluctance to declare a National Emergency, he took ten days with the Gulf Oil Spill, the Army National Guard will not have the Pub distributed yet. so, I doubt they will use it, but the old one was sever enough. Also the lack of a Federal Designation prevents use of the Active Army and Reserves (Posse Comitatus); further, for all its coverage, Ferguson was really small scale, never more than 4-5 thousand people in the street, including looters during the trouble, and fewer than 10k in the daytime marches, many of whom were outside agitators.
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