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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 6 months ago
    The positive multiplier effect of domestic production on the economy has eased the pain in spite of Obanomics. It helps but isn't enough. The debt clock is still moving in the wrong direction. A day will come when the piper will demand his due.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 6 months ago
    I read recently that it costs $85.00 a barrel to extract shale oil. I have been wondering if the drop in oil prices is a way to stop the shale oil boom. If the price drops far enough and stays down long enough it would kill the industry. That is something this administration would support.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
      richrobinson -

      Matt Ridley has an excellent article on this topic. Here is a targeted quote from that article to answer your question on fracking profits:

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      The falling oil price is largely the Americans’ fault. By reinventing the extraction process for first gas, then oil, with horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing, engineers have almost doubled the country’s output of oil in six years. That ingenuity was made possible by the high price of oil, which promised fabulous riches to those who could get oil out of shale, but it is no longer dependent on the high price of oil. It is often said that the cure for high oil prices is high oil prices and so it has proved.

      The International Energy Agency (IEA) says that most shale oil production remains profitable at $80 a barrel. One North Dakota oilman tells me that his rate of return on fracked wells drops to 10 per cent only when oil prices reach $55, and that’s without taking into account the falling price of fuel for his vehicles. Every month American oil production rises by 100,000 barrels a day at the moment and that is not going to change for a year or so whatever happens to the price of oil. The number of rigs drilling for oil will start to drop off if the oil price falls further, but only slowly. Of course, unlike the nationalised decisions of Opec, oil production in America is the sum of the investment decisions of hundreds of independent companies.

      (endquote)

      The entire article may be found at:
      http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/che...

      Jan
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
      It would only stop it temporarily unless followed up with regulatory or legislative bars. Without some other action it would start right back up when the price went up again.

      Much like various precious metal mines open and close based on bullion prices.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago
      They'd much rather attack it using the EPA and permitting process, because they can directly control it. And if you look at the evidence (number of permits issued by the Department of Energy for Public lands), you'd see that they've been pursuing this policy since Obama took office. The boom is all coming on PRIVATE lands where the DoE and EPA have only very minimal reach and therefore don't have the power to obstruct things like on public lands.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 6 months ago
    maybe i am wrong; but i believe the real reason we are seeing the price of oil drop is because of a lower consumption world wide. why because the world economy is in the toilet. every 3rd world country is not buying fuel all of europe is drying up economically as is south america and the chinese are not growing at the newly reported rate of 3 percent a year versus earlier reports of 6 to 7 percent a year. i believe that the chinese are stagnant or in the minus area. i receive to many e mails daily from chinese companies wanting to sell me what they make that have nothing to do with what i do. it was reported 2 weeks ago that the unemployment rate in colorado where i live was do to 4.6 percent; if you believe that i'll sell you the brooklyn bridge. western colorado has an unemployment rate above 15 percent but they report 4.7 percent. i suspect these numbers coming from the "government" are so erroneous that 0 has a nose as long as his ears are big. the reason the price of oil is dropping is because the sale of its by products such as gas are also dropping. most people i know drive when they have to and only then. power boats all over the country are for sale because people aren't using then anymore. demand world wide isn't there, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! need one go further.
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    • Posted by airfredd22 9 years, 6 months ago
      Re: wiggys,

      I found your comment interesting even though not being in complete agreement.

      However, my response is for a different reason. I've noticed many people who write on the internet not using even rudimentary punctuation which tends to make me quit reading their comments very quickly. I know that it has become somewhat acceptable to not capitalize the first word of sentences and for that matter not bothering to use spell check and other computer grammar aids. I'm here to say that it is not acceptable at all if writers want to be taken seriously. I beg all commentators to please use proper English before it becomes a lost art.

      Fred Speckmann
      commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 6 months ago
    little nuances like pricing is why the strategic oil reserve is, strategic. I would add another outcome is it give our OPEC friends and Iran something else to think about. If it costs them hard cash for every barrel then maybe terrorism isn't so easy to finance and nuclear energy becomes even further away.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 6 months ago
    Will gas increase after the midterms?
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
      Depends on how the midterms shake out.

      If the senate remains as it is, a small but real chance the administration can curtail US production somewhat.

      If the Republicans control the senate and house both, that curtailment chance gets slimmer, and the possibility of increasing production further/faster becomes more real.

      For example, higher odds of getting some pipelines built to ease the strain on road and rail for transport.
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  • Posted by jpalm 9 years, 6 months ago
    By now y'all should know that the Oil Industry has been a scam for years. The prices are fixed by the industry itself. They have no care for their clients(you and I).
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    People are inordinately focused on gasoline prices. Since I stopped using my bike, my family consumes about $150/mo in gasoline. Even if we weren't making good money, gasoline being free or doubling would have little impact. $150 increase or decrease simply isn't that much, even for middle-class families. If you're poor, it's a huge deal, but so is everything. People accept the fact that their natural gas bill is $250 in winter and $25 in the summer. But gasoline bothers people because they sit and watch the numbers click up. And maybe on some subconscious level they know they have no sustainable alternatives and if gasoline really did be come expensive, say $1500 a month, they would have to pay it.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 6 months ago
      Having worked for a transportation company, it isn't the cost consumers pay at the pump that is the bigger-picture issue. It's the bulk price that the trucking companies pay that matters, because it affects EVERYTHING at the store! Everything you buy is shipped by truck - most of it 100% of the way from supplier to consumer, some only 20% as much (for rail). We pay for that shipping in the prices we pay - especially for groceries.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 6 months ago
      It's not just the cost filling up one's gas tank. It's also the cost of delivering all of the products, running the factories and the basic ingredient of all plastics, which are, today, the basic ingredients of life.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
      50 cents a gallon is $100 billion a year that is freed up for other uses in the US alone. It means small businesses have more customers and will add employees. That multiplies the effect. It is a big deal for the economy. Before gasoline got to $1500 per month there would be food riots and a violent coup.

      (Of course the cost of gasoline pales in comparison to the amounts being wasted by all those paying interest to banksters who created the loans from nothing.)
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 6 months ago
      Yes, CircuitGuy, but when gas prices are up I tend to stay home. This means that I do not go out and spend money going to dinner with my friends.

      Jan
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
        I agree that energy drives the economy.

        Regarding not spending money, you can either spend your wealth, invest in means of production, or put it under your mattress as some people seem to do. As long as you don't put it under the mattress, you're contributing to growth.

        My point is moot, though, b/c energy drives production of goods and services and investment in means of production.
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