Voting as a non-citizen is an automatic deportation offence and is an automatic ban on ever obtaining any kind of visa or residency. In a perfect world, we could just cross reference the voter registration with citizenship records, and anyone not showing up as a citizen, born or naturalized could get an unexpected knock on the door from ICE. Although I know the enforcement is way too lax to ever have that happen :(
So... you come in as a legal visitor or immigrant, of course you can't stay here on your visitors visa, so you vote in an election, get deported, then you can come back as an illegal immigrant and be welcomed with open arms.
If you have been deported once and enter illegally after that, according to immigration LAW, it is an automatic lifetime ban from any legal status. Of course, that is the law, not what actually happens.
And yet... a Canuckistani friend (from the Liberaliated City of Vancouver in the Peoples Free Democratic Socialistic State of BC) got married to a yank 2 years ago, and INS is *still* making them go thru interviews (she just got a "2 year extension to stay" yesterday, after going through "Separate interviews" to catch them at... hell, something... )... I thought once you tied the knot, that was it... yet had she just wandered over the border, and stayed illegally, she would be welcomed with open arms... but being here Legitimately, they're running them both thru a gauntlet of hell.
Revolting! This can only be seen objectively as an attempt to corrupt the system. “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Latino people of the New World.” I have a problem with "hyphenated Americans." I believe when one comes here they should embrace E Pluribus Unum and just be Americans. Unless you are a "Native American" everyone's ethnicity originates somewhere else. If one goes back in time far enough even the Native Americans are immigrants. Everyone should feel free to celebrate their ethnic traditions, but it should have no role in politics. It is this divisiveness that destroys American cohesion as a society. If you are Mexican American or an African American etc. it appears as if you are an American second; not first. The appearance is one of divided allegiance and draws into question the legitimacy of your devotion, citizenship and therefore your vote. If the government had the will, they could easily cross reference and stop this. Bottom line: We need universal voter I.D. and anyone promoting like this should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting, as should the voters who are committing voter fraud.
Nor does California, but we also make them vote on a provisional ballot, which have to be verified as legit, else they get disqualified. We may not require ID, but we won't let an illegal's vote count, either.
The scary one is when someone comes in, and they give us a name and address from the list outside the polling place, so therefore they have authenticated their info, so they get a regular (not provisional) ballot... and then the real person comes in 2 hours later to cast *their* ballot. And yes... it has happened.
The underlying idea, so I heard long ago when I was too young to vote, is that the poll workers are from your neighborhood and recognize you on sight. Thus no ID is needed. The polling place would likely be your local schoolhouse, which would be, of necessity, within walking distance of your home.
Hey, ***I*** walked to school, and it wasn't uphill both ways. And most of the people in my neighborhood did know me. They ALL knew my father.
The major fault I find in the Constitution is that it has an underlying premise that we are a country composed of towns of 200 - 500 people, of a common culture, and a sessile population whose only remote communication is mail. The designers of the Constitution were not able to predict the huge difference that growth and technology has made in our lives - and when we come across "the poll workers are from your neighborhood and recognize you on sight." sorts of situations...the map no longer fits the world.
Absolutely. Now they use the current norm of "it's impolite and politically incorrect to know your neighbor" to pull their scams...
I remember when you walked into a place - polling station, local store, etc... and people greeted you by name, and asked about your family, or your hunting trip, or how the business is... without being prompted.
Its so bad now, the precinct I am assigned to is 48 miles from my home. And the elections department thought nothing of it. It's almost as if they want to make sure I *don't* know the people in the precinct... >= ~ ( .
Nope, and I offered to show mine there once when I went to vote and they refused to look at it. Also when I went to vote in the primaries and declared Republican I got a gruff "can't help you, talk to that guy" so I could have one of "my kind' give me a ballot. It was pretty hilarious.
In Alabama where I live whites generally ask for the Republican primary ballot and almost all blacks ask for "that other kind." Due to its huge black population, my Birmingham area voted for Obama in my otherwise red state. Guess that makes me feel like blacks feel in, say, Mobile.
We are prohibited - by law - from looking at an ID, with *very* few permitted exceptions. If someone tries to show me theirs, I *cannot* look at it, unless I have to for one of these reasons - and it tells me to right on the roster sheet.
Silly, but that's the way it is out here in Califunnyland.
I'm a registered Libertarian (so yes, vote for Rand in 2016, show the world the 3rd party can end up #1 on election day!)... so I wonder what said polling station political activist would say if *I* walked in... and declared as a Lib. "Sorry, you can't vote here as no one here is a libertarian"? I would have had an absolute field day with that one.
Lol, in that primary I actually voted for Ron Paul b/c he was on the Republican ticket. Since then I have also registered Libertarian, I WILL vote for Rand, hopefully he makes it through.
... lower or higher than in the US?
ref: http://www.plusaf.com/pix/homepagepix/pr...
Especially watch the video at the end.
The scary one is when someone comes in, and they give us a name and address from the list outside the polling place, so therefore they have authenticated their info, so they get a regular (not provisional) ballot... and then the real person comes in 2 hours later to cast *their* ballot. And yes... it has happened.
Hey, ***I*** walked to school, and it wasn't uphill both ways. And most of the people in my neighborhood did know me. They ALL knew my father.
Jan
I remember when you walked into a place - polling station, local store, etc... and people greeted you by name, and asked about your family, or your hunting trip, or how the business is... without being prompted.
Its so bad now, the precinct I am assigned to is 48 miles from my home. And the elections department thought nothing of it. It's almost as if they want to make sure I *don't* know the people in the precinct... >= ~ ( .
Silly, but that's the way it is out here in Califunnyland.
I'm a registered Libertarian (so yes, vote for Rand in 2016, show the world the 3rd party can end up #1 on election day!)... so I wonder what said polling station political activist would say if *I* walked in... and declared as a Lib. "Sorry, you can't vote here as no one here is a libertarian"? I would have had an absolute field day with that one.