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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 5 months ago
    Being on file with the FBI is not necessarily because they are suspicious of you.

    I got my first security clearance in 1980 and have been on file ever since.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
      I've been fingerprinted and cleared five times by as many jobs. Can anyone beat that? Nyah! Nyah!
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 5 months ago
        Let me think... twice in the service for my clearances, two times for my work, once for a job application at a defense contractor (passed the clearance but didn't get the job as they closed up shop), once by the local sheriff for my CCW, and a final one for my current position... plus I have another coming up to take some training. My pawprints are all over, and my file is probably a foot thick. Do I lose sleep over it? Not really. If they want to know something all they have to do is ask, and if they decide something I did is illegal ex post facto, thats all she wrote anyway.
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        • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 5 months ago
          I had a clearance for when I worked for a court reporting firm in college. Between the daily trips to the Pentagon and Capitol Hill, and proof reading the manuscripts, I had to have one. For volunteering at schools and for my CCP, in CT and UT. Plus I sent a rose to a spook, not knowing he was a spook. He thought it was a bomb, and almost took the delivery guy's head off... Fun times!
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
          I forgot being fingerprinted when I was drafted into the Marines back in '69, but you still beat me.
          Wah!
          And a girl beat me too!
          Double wah!
          Excuse me while I go and sulk.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 5 months ago
            Oh hell, I forgot about the induction prints... Just remember DLI and for my clearances. Drat!

            Was at the local Oathkeepers meeting - realized I took that same oath 4 times for 4 different reasons. That alone probably puts me in their "special attention" category. Not only separate accomodations at the local FEMA camp, but a private MRAP transport to boot.

            Maybe I should change my name to Lechter. --giggles-- Problem is, they would confuse it for Lecherous, and as such think I work for the admin...

            Who would have thought loving your country would gave gotten you into trouble with it?
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  • Posted by CTYankee 9 years, 5 months ago
    Pfft! I've had an FBI file since 5th grade. Apparently, I checked too many books out of the library that had an Atomic Energy theme, and were considered 'unreadable' for the average 10 year-old.

    One evening a pair of agents came to the house to determine if I was acting as front for someone else. After about an hour of quizzing me to determine if my interests were genuine, they admonished me about using the phones to waste people's time and preventing them from doing their jobs to talk with me. I countered with how much time I spent learning the subject to ask questions that those people wanted to, or were at least willing, to answer for a kid on the phone. I was sent to bed.

    Two years later I was the 'pet middle-schooler' in the physics department at Fairfield University, doing 'experiments' with their argon-ion laser.
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    • Posted by Kittyhawk 9 years, 5 months ago
      That is astonishing! Some government agency was actually keeping track of what books were checked out, and flagged it, and reported it to the FBI? Do you mind me asking how long ago this was?
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 5 months ago
    A student got arrested because her science experiment went awry?! The unknown result is inherent in experimenting. Otherwise it's just some
    thought that hasn't been acted upon!
    Absurdity in the extreme. My kids are both in high school. We have a resource officer there, yet the kids love them. One is the father of a really good friend of my son's and who also happens to be a personal friend. In many ways we are fortunate to not have a hopped up police dept here. These men and women live here, have kids in the schools, and are not out busting balls. From this article, that is CLEARLY not the case elsewhere. Abhorrent. The kids and their parents need to fight back against these tyrannical encroachments to their liberty. It will be a bittersweet memory else wise.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 5 months ago
    I am on file with the FBI for multiple security clearances at national labs in the 1990s. However, what most people forget is how they have to go through an FBI background check, including a $55 fingerprinting, to volunteer at their kids' schools, their churches, etc. now. This was the start of what changed me from volunteering to more of an AR set of values.
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    • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 5 months ago
      Wow, I did not know they had done that. All our kids are well beyond that point so have not been involved like that in some years.

      Plus side though it does speed things up when you need clearance for a new project. I would generally only have to fill out a much shorter update form for the new clearance.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 5 months ago
      Most non-tourist visas for travel overseas also require such an FBI background check with fingerprints. I think this is also true for concealed carry licenses (based on state laws.)
      Years ago I also had a secret security clearance investigation. Today it would be folly to assume that the agency doesn't mainatin a permanent database of that data.
      Your tax dollars at work enslaving you.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 9 years, 5 months ago
    Try going to a demonstration knowing you're on the list of the police in town, just about the last thing someone says to you before you speak is "Yeah. We saw them." and then getting up to give and ROUSING speech about gun control that has the crowd ready to rock and roll.
    "them" are the police snipers.
    Being on the list stopped bothering me about then, for some reason.
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    • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 5 months ago
      Wow, and good for you. You're exercising your, while it still exists, free speech and right to peaceably assemble. I think a great sense of serenity would descend, knowing you are fooled by their posturing. And that you are free.
      I thumb my nose in their general direction!
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 5 months ago
    Zero tolerance = zero common sense. I got that from an editorial in The Birmingham News several years ago and have used it repeatedly since, at times just letting the statement stand alone, in comment sections all over the Internet.
    Accounts of stupid adults overreacting with kids due a rule some twit wrote down goes on and on and on.
    Back around when I was in the third grade, I was during recess playing cowboy (due to old young John Wayne kinda movies on afternoon TV) and pretending my hand was a busy gun all the time. But that was back in the 50s when teachers were allowed to use their own common sense.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 5 months ago
    I'm pretty sure there is a file on me because there was a Backround Check done when I went to work for the County Sheriff's Dept. I also collect small caliber hand guns from .22lr to Bond Arms Hand Cannon.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 5 months ago
    Holy smoke!
    Based on that article, kids of my era would be put away for life. We played practical jokes (on teachers), acted up in the lunchroom, had fights in the corridor behind the auditorium, spiked thermos bottles with wine stolen from parents, chewed gum and stuck it under desks. Most of us turned out pretty good. as a matter of fact, many of the most "naughty" kids went on to become the most honored among us.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago
    Whoa. I had a tenant that went to work for the FBI. I was interviewed by a couple of agents before they hired him. Seemed matter of fact stuff but I wonder if their is still a file with my name on it.
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    • Posted by kathywiso 9 years, 5 months ago
      They are adding your Gulch comments to it...

      To get the license to sell liquor at my restaurant and for my CC permit, I had to go through the fingerprint background check.. Dog at Large charge was on it, speeding tickets, the extent of my criminal background. Do you think they don't mark everything you do on that file ? Fortunately, nothing to restrict me from either permit, yet...
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      • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 5 months ago
        Shortly after moving in to our first house someone broke in when we weren't home and stole some electronics and jewelry. Probably a drug head. The county police dusted for prints and said they needed my fingerprints in order to eliminate the prints that were mine. For some reason my wife was not finger printed. I was told this was done for comparison only and that they would not keep my prints on file. Maybe they didn't but now I wonder???
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        • Posted by kathywiso 9 years, 5 months ago
          Hint: Never trust the government... When I lived in DE, there was a case brought against the state, they found that private gun purchases that were only supposed to be held for 6 mos, were recorded and held from the beginning of the first records...ok..you are being tracked, phone, credit cards, car tracking, they put it all together to see if you are a threat. Those meetings we go to for preserving freedom, they put us at the top of the list. Political activity, school board meetings, fighting for freedom...big target on our back.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 5 months ago
    One of the lessons from "Atlas Shrugged" was that the government makes violators out of people so that it can control them. You aren't free if you have some kind of potential criminal charge hanging over your head - real or otherwise.
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  • Posted by radical 9 years, 5 months ago
    I know that I'm in their file. Some years back I got a letter from them asking if I was aquainted with the Pilot Connection, a tax - protest organization. I told them I wasn't.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 5 months ago
      what's it their business if you were? db had a security clearance in the 90s. Un-nerving experience. They came to our house. seriously, they looked and acted like they were FBI agents in a TV show. we're also on a list because they had to vet us during the McVeigh trial. We had rented a Ryder Truck, we had stopped in Junction City at around the same time he had at the same Dairy Queen!
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 5 months ago
        Very suspicious ... (sarcasm)
        I wish they had done such a serious investigation into those connected to Waco and prosecuted the perps instead. Perhaps they wouldn't have had to investigate you.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 5 months ago
    Hi, NSA!!! . ever since I joined the USAF in '71, I have
    assumed that everything is on file. then, in '75, I
    joined a manhattan project site and lost the rest.
    it is interesting to think that I am a target. Hi, NSA! -- j

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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 5 months ago
    actions of this nature ARE causing the economic activity of the country to grind slowly to an ultimate halt. those charged with keeping these records are just citizens and do not show any capacity to think. when all is said and done at some point in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE and the country comes to a standstill they will ask what is wrong and if someone says that your are a part of the problem because you never learned to think but just acted as an automaton and took orders. you could tell them they should have read Atlas but they wouldn't have understood it. a long slow death for the USA is underway.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 9 years, 5 months ago
    A mish-mash of statistics. Yes it is wrong to criminalize students. However that is not related to 1 in 3 being on the FBI records.

    "According to the U.S. Education Department’s Office of Civil Rights, 260,000 students were reported, or “referred” in the official language, to law enforcement by schools in 2012, the most-recent available data. "

    260,000 and not ~a million (1 in 3).
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