Where Do You Fall Politically?

Posted by khalling 9 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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Here is another one of those "tests " They say upfront you are to answer with your feeling so be prepared that your reason will find the phrasing of many of the statements you might tend to agree with, frustrating.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
    If you completed the "test" and could see the results page, you will likely note:
    1) they make the effort to examine lots of politicians and "state" leaders for where they fit in the spectrum as they define it, but they make NO EFFORT whatsoever to examine where producers fit politically. They make no mention whatsoever of the people who have created the wealth of the world through hard work.
    2) They have placed no "state" leaders in the lower right quadrant that represents more libertarian social thinking and more free market economics.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 9 years, 6 months ago
      "They have placed no 'state' leaders in the lower right quadrant"

      Correctly so, don't you think?
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      • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 6 months ago
        I saw that when I got my score, I felt all alone :-)
        I found some of the questions frustrating because they didn't offer a none-of-the-above, or no-opinion response, but I scored right-libertarian, so, I guess go with gut works.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
          they say in the FAQ that a "none of the above" response would be a cop-out.
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          • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 6 months ago
            Like this...
            Military action that defies international law is sometimes justified
            It depends. That can't be answered absoluly.
            I realize many of these types of quizzes rely on other questions to better zero on your thoughts. Which I suppose is fine, it seemed to flush out where I sit properly
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            • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
              I completely agree with you. I think one of the inherent biases is how the rest of western culture thinks compared to the US. In their FAQ section they mentioned several places that certain criticisms were exclusively American. Their point was Americans have bias in certain areas. While I do not doubt that, just because one nation tends to skew a certain way, is not evidence to support irrational thinking. They list Ayn Rand as a choice in the other quiz, specifically to discredit her, without including her as an international, notable leader. They list many communist leaning "leaders" and completely leave out many notable US leaders. That was one of their biases.
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          • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 6 months ago
            re: khaling... "they say in the FAQ that a "none of the above" response would be a cop-out. "...

            To me, if NOTA is a frequent complaint... that may just indicate that the choices provided are poorly crafted in the first place. :)
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
        Ron Paul probably would be there. Can't think of any others though.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
          so you think Rand Paul would still be in the upper right quadrant?
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
            I would put him near me:

            Economic Left/Right: 8.38
            Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.41
            just barely into the bottom right quadrant
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            • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
              how'd you answer the question about who is more essential-manufacturers and business people or writers and artists?
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              • Posted by shivas 9 years, 6 months ago
                I had to disagree with this one. To agree is to assume that artists and writers don't "produce". This is obviously not the case. However, I think the answer moved me up from the bottom.
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              • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
                No offense, khalling, but I strongly agreed that manufacturers and business people were more important. I like my writer and artist friends, but I have shrugged from manufacturing to only teach it. I still manufacture, but now only for myself - until the dawning of the new age of Atlantis. I kind of made it sound like Aquarius. Eeek!!
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                • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 6 months ago
                  The problem with this question is that more important to what? Without defining that, this is a nebulous question without any meaningful answer. For instance, if we say Freedom then there is no evidence that manufactures or business people are more important. If we say to my immediate standard of living, then the answer is yes. It was a poor question that failed to define it terms as did most of the survey. That question is more about whether you are pro-business for existing businesses. I am not for any particular business, I am for capitalism.
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                • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
                  ah, and so the work Ayn Rand did for free market thinking is less important than business people and manufacturing? Was Jefferson influenced by business people or Locke, Smith, Aristotle, Newton, Paine, Franklin etc. all writers. I just could not knee jerk on that one. Although that is the goal of the test. they want you to knee jerk. I think that shows bias.
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                  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
                    Given the percentage of people that actually read, it seems to me that business/production is more influential. And growing more influential year to year.

                    I am not saying it should be that way, but sheeple do not read, they just want more stuff.

                    I consider this trend the main reason for the slowdown in advancement across so many fields of knowledge.

                    Art and writing INSPIRES people. How many people do you find inspired by anything external to themselves any more?
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                  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
                    Newton and Franklin were far more than just writers. Franklin was one of the great business people ever. I'm not saying that writing is not important. Obviously writing is important. The underlying bias you refer to in the survey is the expectation that writers and artists are moochers. Some artists are moochers. NMA is a counterexample, of course. Manufacturers and business people cannot be moochers. However, as I am sure you will point out if I don't, manufacturers and business people can be looters.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 6 months ago
    The test itself is political propaganda, by assuming that the state should be involved in all facets of life.
    Frustrating, over simplified, and lacking any choice of answer that reflects my thinking.
    Obviously, I don't fit anywhere in their political spectrum.
    If I was a politician, that would be a reason for my obvious superiority and an excuse for my singular suitability to rule.
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  • Posted by shivas 9 years, 6 months ago
    This reminds me of the Nolan Chart and "the world's smallest political quiz". They got pretty much the same of me as Marshall Fritz, +7.5 economically and -5 socially. The Libertarian quiz took just 10 questions.
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 9 years, 6 months ago
    I took the test just for kicks, ran into the 1st of the "you have to answer all the questions" and forced myself thru it just to get "my" score: economic 6.5, authoritarian -3.54. I'm in agreement, however, with others of you who have made criticisms of the test. When the question is written with 4 false premises in it, and you have to answer it with pre-written answers, you get.....dreck.
    I'm curious if the site would let me go back in and print out [do a screen shot, probably] of the questions. I don't remember them well enough to say much about them - except that they over-fulfilled my frustration quotient for the day!
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    • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
      they were highly frustrating. I am weirded out that several of you scored higher on the economics than I did. crazy statements I guess
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
        It must have been that question about writers and artists vs. manufacturers and business people. ;)
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        • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
          not just that one. what about the one regarding holding in high esteem those who manipulate money to create wealth. Part of me says go for it, then part of me says, it is not free market that the stock markets and those working in those markets have a huge esteem over other types of production. It is govt regulation and propping up and Federal reserve that gives these individuals prominence. that's f'ed up. That is not creating wealth, that is manipulating money supply. how brilliant is it to get loans at 0% and then loan that money (monopoly money) out for 1-2% that is not a brilliant creator.
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          • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 6 months ago
            Their FAQ also goes into an explanation that societies that don't have capital punishment are freer than those that do. So, if an individual commits a capital crime, they see him caged in a cell for the rest of his life as somewhow being freer than dead? Interesting logic...
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    I would expect Ayn Rand fans to be mostly far into the right and far down into the libertarian.

    Regarding empire builders vs defense-only that Temlakos talked about, I expect most empire builders are also authoritarian and most territorial defense-only. There certainly will be exceptions.

    I also imagine (wonder if there's any data to support it) that most people fall below the horizontal axis. To get elected, though, it's effective to try to get people upset with their neighbors about religious and personal issues, which means the politicians have to be above the line.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
      I wasn't that far to the right nor that far down. I was +4.85 and -4.62
      I think this is because I did not respond well to some of the statements that were intentionally written to evoke feelings or knee jerk responses. They tell you that's how they designed them.
      For example, the statement where you had to agree that business people and manufacturers were more important than writers and artists, I completely disagree with. However, if I selected strongly disagree it was going to throw me more to the middle than I actually am. there were several like that, where I wasn't sure whether to say slightly agree or slightly disagree, often because there was more than one concept in the statement. I agreed with one part but not the other part.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
        "I think this is because I did not respond well to some of the statements that were intentionally written to evoke feelings or knee jerk responses."
        I read about that in the FAQ. Based on that, it's better to have a moderate score, not at the extreme ends.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 6 months ago
    Who says economic globalization is inevitable? First question, and it starts with a flawed premise. Bleah!

    Then the more I went through this test, it gets worse... it starts from a pro-socialistic, pro-Leninist viewpoint and sets sail from there to the land of Marx.

    I can't stand "tests" that are skewed to force you into a certain viewpoint, especially when it's against your moral fiber or sociological thinking. It reads like something put out by Soros Marketing and World Domination, llc. I admit, I didn't get to the 3rd page - after all, breakfast this morning was good, and I was at grave risk of losing it!
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 6 months ago
    I have taken this test before. I have charted out somewhere between libertarian and conservative, depending on how they phrase some of the questions.

    I've often felt one should add another axis to that: the militarism axis. Scores: from zero (pure aggressive, the Empire Builder's place) to 10 (immediate territorial defense only). I wonder how many of us would score in such a "cube"?
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 6 months ago
      Pretty well clustered near the economic right, socially middle to libertarian, and 9-10 on the territorial defense only. I can't believe the Republicans expect someone like me to vote for John McLame (a 1 on Temlakos' empire-building axis, definitely not to the right of economic center, and quite authoritarian). Such a person would have to be considered a political enemy.
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 6 months ago
    I hit L/R of 3.25 and SL/A of -1.64, so that put me in the lower right but sort of towards the middle. Not really close to anyone that matters according to the test makers. It was fun but really I already knew where I was and I already know that most politicians are nowhere near where I am. The closest to my ideal is Ted Cruz by my judgement and look at how he ridiculed by the establishment. So, I guess that gives me an idea of what the establishment thinks of my ideals.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
      I wasn't as far right as I expected, but pretty far down in the lower right quadrant. again, the statements were often loaded and that pushed my answers more to the middle road
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      • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 6 months ago
        I think that is what hit me, the loaded questions. I expected to be more right but got pushed to the middle.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 6 months ago
          check out their FAQ page. lots of questions regarding why they formulated the questions the way they did is explained. I still had some problems with it. I think Temlakos makes a great point about military.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 6 months ago
    I want to know how on earth they deem Obama far authoritarian/Right.

    Authoritarian - for damn sure
    Right? Seriously

    Obama is so far left he would have to look over his right shoulder to bay at the moon.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 9 years, 6 months ago
    Take note: They've placed Obama in the upper right-hand of the "Authoritarian/Right" quadrant - which essentially calls into question the entire test, or at minimum the people who presumably ran BO through the test on his assumed answers.

    I ended up almost exactly where they put Friedman (Milton, not Marty, which latter I would expect to be a better match,) but... they think Obama is of the "Right"...!
    :rolls eyes:
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
      You're right. All mainstream US candidates and senators were in the upper right quadrant. If all candidates are in that quadrants, what's the point of the other ones? The only thing I can think of is they're comparing US politicians to other countries' where they fall into other quadrants. This test suggests all politicians support the same bipartisan consensus.
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  • Posted by mso_apilgrim 9 years, 6 months ago
    I must have failed this test... I was going for the perfect score of +10 on the collectivist/individualist scale and -10 for the relinquished-control/self-control scale, but my morality overrode the immorality of the quiz writers.
    Final score: 5.38 individualist, -4.36 self-control.
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  • Posted by Zero 9 years, 6 months ago
    Eco +5.62
    Soc -3.54

    It'd be interesting to plot our little group,

    It'd be really interesting to see where AR or LP land.

    (How far have I strayed?)
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 6 months ago
    This is a decent test, as these little tests go. I agree with freedomforall and khalling that it's a _political_ compass not a _philosophical_ compass.

    I scored 0.38 to the right on the left/right axis and -7.33 (far libertarian) on the authoritarian/libertarian axis.

    I wonder what percentage of the population scores in the lower two quadrants. If you click on the 2012 election part, it claims that Romney and Obama were next to each other in the center of the authoritarian right quadrant. That rings basically true to me. That means we have many people in the bottom two quadrants, but no mainstream candidates for us. I would love to see a president or several Congressman in the libertarian zone. I would like to see them as president, but part of their program would be they're going to get into office and decrease the powers of the presidency, which is tough to sell.
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    • Posted by Rex_Little 9 years, 6 months ago
      Of course the test is political, not philosophical--it says so right on the label.

      Any political program which displays the least bit of philosophical consistency is tough to sell to the American electorate. Barry Goldwater (1964) and George McGovern (1972) found that out.
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