If people want to let a second rate video do their thinking for them, nobody can stop them. I will, when asked, give people the basics of Rand's philosophy, but I always say they should read her works. We have to go after the people who aren't afraid to think for themselves.
Agreed. That's why I make sure to teach my kids the truth about history and how to use their brains.
I'll brag just a little. My 12-yr old son just took the MAP test for math and scored a 302. For those not familiar with the test, it is adaptive, meaning that when the student demonstrates mastery of basic concepts, it bumps the difficulty level of the problems until it can finally stump the student. The score he got indicated college level understanding of mathematics - including basic derivatives and integrals. Here's one the liberals aren't going to get!
Starting somewhere includes Breaking Out of The Gulch and refuting the claims made by the proponents of these videos and other pablum-puking garbage. You and I will not convince the individual that we are debating -- their mind, or what they have of a mind, is already calcified. Instead, we are reaching the hundreds (and possibly thousands) of individuals that read the back-and-forth point / counterpoint arguments in these sundry online exchanges. It is the quiet reader that has not yet "made up their mind" that we are attempting to reach.
When I first encountered Rand, in the person of one of her fans, I continually bothered him, "Well, what does she say about xxx, about yyy, about zzz?"
He wisely and patiently suggested I read her books.
Eventually his patience wore out. "Atlas Shrugged is too fat? Don't read it, then. But I'm not going to answer any more questions."
Amazing how quickly they start calling names instead of trying to make a reasoned argument. The level of hate for books about the love of life is amazing.
I’ve been watching this new show of HBO’s since the beginning but just watching it before this episode aired. :) Thanks for that! Um, The opening show was very funny and through everyone from every political leaning under the bus. It stop being funny after that. The show quickly showed it’s true aspirations-- it is meant to affect change through propaganda. I don’t watch it anymore. I wish Hollywood would realize that people have burnt out on ‘messages’. Television and film is suppose to be about escape, unless you are trying to produce a movie or film with a philosophy message, like Atlas Shrugged. I notice for the first time the other day that ‘The Fountainhead’ is attacked in the movie ‘Dirty Dancing’. Totally caught me off guard. I hadn’t realize how many times we have been told about the ‘evils’ of Ayn Rand in one form or another until I started paying attention.
We can expect more and more of this type of nonsense during at least this year and the next two, due as much to the current backlash against Obama's socialist progressive agenda and the increasing popularity of the Liberty movement in the country as to any other reason. Even some extremist conservatives seem to be jumping on the 'bash AR train' as well, as they see their influence waning. AR has become the poster girl of limited government and individual freedom and I think rightly so.
Those "extremist conservatives" who seem to be bashing AR are more interested in the power of their influence than limited government and individual freedom. Why else would they be jumping on the bash AR train? Maybe they espouse the extremist conservative principles only to gain the notoriety of those positions, not so much to actually allow others to achieve them.
RevJay4, I think the mantra may need changing from "Follow the Money" to "Follow the Power and Control," and I think both the Left and Right extremists might be demonstrating a bit of fear of losing power and control as more and more voters sign up as "non-affiliated" or 'independent.'
Or worse, you have persons like John McCain that is happy to see that Rand Paul is becoming 'more centrist'. The likes of McCain give a bad name to the conservatives. And then you have Mitch McConnel who despises the Tea Party and wants to destroy the groups that fight to stop the descent into socialism. The problem is not ISIS, or Iran or hezbollah, hamas or russia or china , the problem is within, is with the political establishment that basically is self serving, and amoral, we all know harry reid and pelosi, they are just the people that need to be fought, but first you need to get rid of the Mccains and McConnels, and is a long process because you have to form the leaders, the thinkers, and convince the creators that they should stop supporting the destroyers, just like Ayn Rand did through Howard Roark and John Galt.
Indeed -- and that is why it is so difficult to have a conversation with a modern liberal. I have been told that "I hate President Obama because he is black." To which I reply, "I no more hate Obama because he is black than you hate Sarah Palin because she is white." These folks simply do not know how to think.
Well...we could find a philosopher who is a great writer who inspires millions on the left whose work endures despite moronic satire and make a film about him/her. Wait -- there isn't such a person. Well, I guess we'll just have to abide.
The video is patently moronic. It asks how could people promoting a rightwing political agenda support Rand when she didn't agree with the agenda. Because she's about following *your own agenda*, not other people's! The people who put this together havn't read the books.
Rand realized long ago that it was and is all about control. Under most Capitalistic Systems you control your property, your work and your product. Suffering from Government Socialism or just plain socialism in any of its forms, is about them controlling you, an oligarchy, in other words.
I caught a snippet of a democratic position speech on the radio yesterday, and the speaker mentioned something from Atlas Shrugged by "Ann" Rand, that there are two sides to every question, where one side is right and the other wrong, but where the point between is always evil. His point was the Democrats know how to compromise to get at the best answer. He missed completely her meaning, that in a compromise with evil, only evil will win.
I had to laugh, because if even a democratic stump speech feels a need to talk about her and her philosophy, if only to try to put her down, she's gotten under their skin. And a few listeners may even have gotten the right message.
P.S. -- It needs to be said that not every question has a right and wrong answer. Sometimes more than one answer is right; for example, should I eat an apple or an orange? Neither is "evil". And not every choice necessarily contains an evil component. Too many people fall into the trap of exclusionary judgment. The Universe is not that malevolent. :)
Unfortunately the narrator will go to his death not knowing the video supports AR since nobody talks about the narrator today so they certainly won't after his death but AR will be talked about for years and years to come.
The problem is we do a poorer job than guys like this in representing the idiocy in socialism. "Where is the I want freedom vs I am irresponsible" or "I deserve free stuff vs you should work harder to support me" or inefficiency in the US vs socialism in the US.
The video is a classic example of the fallacy of changing the subject and attacking the person. 1. The persons character is attacked. 2. The persons circumstances are noted. 3. The person does not practice what is preached. 4. The manner in which an argument (or arguer) is presented is felt to affect the truth of the conclusion. Democrats use it all the time.
1. ad hominem. 2. poisoning the well 3. tu quoque 4. [Does anyone know if there's a name for attacking the style instead of substance?] Politics is all about it. It's not like people from one party do it more than others.
OMG, they do it all the time. I notice it more b/c I disagree with Republicans more, so it stands out more, but I'm confident they all do it. Logical fallacies and politics go together.
Not true. The Democrats are the worst for changing the subject and attacking the person. They do it all the time. I have never seen a Democrat speak when he was not doing it. This is because they have no argument to defend the socialistic things they advocate while they exploit the stupid, ignorant and gullible segments of the population.
Greetings Friends, If any of you are youtube subscribers (I am not) perhaps you would be willing to post the following link on the page? http://www.aynrandmyths.com/ I believe Mr. DeSapio provided it for us not long ago and it would go a long way to discredit many of the unwarranted attacks. Respectfully, O.A.
We are really getting under their skin!
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Ghandi
We are past stage two and entering stage three.
Next up: "then you win."
She didn't believe in God. But neither did she believe the liberals had any right to play God.
I'll brag just a little. My 12-yr old son just took the MAP test for math and scored a 302. For those not familiar with the test, it is adaptive, meaning that when the student demonstrates mastery of basic concepts, it bumps the difficulty level of the problems until it can finally stump the student. The score he got indicated college level understanding of mathematics - including basic derivatives and integrals. Here's one the liberals aren't going to get!
He wisely and patiently suggested I read her books.
Eventually his patience wore out. "Atlas Shrugged is too fat? Don't read it, then. But I'm not going to answer any more questions."
I notice for the first time the other day that ‘The Fountainhead’ is attacked in the movie ‘Dirty Dancing’. Totally caught me off guard. I hadn’t realize how many times we have been told about the ‘evils’ of Ayn Rand in one form or another until I started paying attention.
They are nuts.
We should be so lucky... :)
have those "extremist conservatives" amongst
us.
Suffering from Government Socialism or just plain socialism in any of its forms, is about them controlling you, an oligarchy, in other words.
I had to laugh, because if even a democratic stump speech feels a need to talk about her and her philosophy, if only to try to put her down, she's gotten under their skin. And a few listeners may even have gotten the right message.
"Where is the I want freedom vs I am irresponsible"
or "I deserve free stuff vs you should work harder to support me"
or inefficiency in the US vs socialism in the US.
Democrats use it all the time.
2. poisoning the well
3. tu quoque
4. [Does anyone know if there's a name for attacking the style instead of substance?]
Politics is all about it. It's not like people from one party do it more than others.
If any of you are youtube subscribers (I am not) perhaps you would be willing to post the following link on the page?
http://www.aynrandmyths.com/
I believe Mr. DeSapio provided it for us not long ago and it would go a long way to discredit many of the unwarranted attacks.
Respectfully,
O.A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9xiddbf...