What Went Wrong At The Box Office For ASIII

Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 7 months ago to Movies
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I posted this as a response to a post by xthinker88, "How is it possible that this movie is such a dismal failure?" However, I came in late to the post and I don't think it was widely seen, so in the interest of eliciting a wider discussion, I am reposting this. Comments invited.

The comment by xthinker88 asks the most important question: how does a movie of a book that has been read by millions, that is the longest running 20th century success story in American fiction, that still sells more than many so-called best sellers, and that spawned a radical new philosophy, how is it possible that it does such meager box office? I wrote a generally favorable review, but finding out that I won't be able to take my mother to it tonight because the theater has pulled it after one week has prompted a mental failure analysis.

I may not be the one to properly conduct this analysis. After all, my novel, The Golden Pinnacle, is still a few sales short of one million, so perhaps I'm not qualified to talk about selling a dramatic work (although I take some comfort from MikeMarotta's quote on creative genius from Ludwig von Mises). However, I ask the question: what did Ayn Rand's fiction (not just AS) have that the movies lacked?

Remembering when I first read The Fountainhead, what kept me turning the pages far into the night, that almost literally burned a hole into my brain, was the recognition of so much truth, stated so well and with such obviously pointed disregard for popular conceptions or what the man and woman on the street's reaction would be. From Howard Roark telling the dean why the architecture taught at his school was hogwash to his speech at the trial, scene after scene was bold, innovative, and most importantly, revealing of unacknowledged truth--how people really are, how society really works. It shed pretense, pomposity, prestige, and all those other false god the mass of men and women spend their quietly desperate lives trying to attain. I was about to set myself on the same course, and am still amazed and grateful that I discovered the uniquely radical revelation that is Rand.

I, and others, have noted that important components of Rand's philosophy, most particularly her atheism and rejection of religion, were omitted. Speeches were shortened and marquee names were given cameo appearances, presumably to give the movie more "mainstream" appeal. However, these moves didn't capture either the mainstream or most of those who read and loved Rand's novels. I think the movies' creators would have done much better if they had, like Rand, ignored what the experts and marketing people say movies should be and followed her lead.

It is Rand's ideas that captivate and it is her speeches that convey those ideas. I was not bored in Part 2 with Rearden's speech in court or d'Anconia's money speech, or Galt's speech in Part 3; I was disappointed that they were so short and undeveloped. Conventional movie wisdom says avoid long speeches, but maybe that's because Hollywood screen writers don't have much to say. This is Ayn Rand, and she had a lot of earth shaking things to say. The speeches have to be edited, of course, but don't boil them down to something that sort of kind of conveys what she meant, but hurriedly moves on to something else lest the audience gets bored. Go after what should be the movies' natural audience--Rand readers--they are intelligent and they want the speeches they found riveting when they read the book. Not only should the speeches that were used have been more fully developed, but more, notably Ragnar's speech to Rearden when he returns his gold and d'Anconia's speech to Rearden on the meaning of sex, should have been included.

Rand readers want her philosophy, the whole philosophy. By focusing almost exclusively on the political and economic, Rand is rendered a mouthpiece for essentially a Libertarian agenda. However, Rand changed lives because she changed people's personal philosophies. How can the movies stay true to Rand's books without mentioning the terms "selfishness," "altruism," or "mysticism?" They can't. The essence of objectivism is reason and the avowal that man is an end in himself, and reciting Galt's formula a few times is nowhere near enough to illustrate the implications of what objectivism actually means.

In the last analysis, I think the commercial failure of these movies stems from a mistake Rand herself did not make: playing to the crowd. They didn't get the crowd, and they didn't get Rand's readers, the natural, no-need-to-market-to audience. To get the people who were excited about Rand's boldly visionary novels and philosophy, the movies would have had to have been bold visionary. As I acknowledged in my reviews of all three, the movies had their merits. However, boldly visionary they were not.


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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 7 months ago
    I know a few Rand fans that had no idea the movies were even out there. The only way I found out about the first movie was a random interview on NPR, yes, NPR. I think the real problem is the marketing or lack thereof. If you are not actively searching for it on the internet, you will not find it. There are millions of people out there who would probably go see the movie if they knew about it, but word of mouth can only go so far.
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    • Posted by LionelHutz 9 years, 7 months ago
      I agree with this. I don't really think the movie has done poorly because massive amounts of people have read bad reviews and decided not to go. I doubt they even know the movie is out there. Limited release in theaters and zero advertising as far as I can tell. I'm kind of curious how that Kickstarter money was spent. I realize the money raised was a paltry amount compared to the cost of airing a national television commercial. I just think the team came up short of the kind of funds necessary to get good exposure these days. I was encouraged to see the attendance report from Plano TX - the movies did manage to draw good crowds in some places. But there were a dozen people in my theater on opening night, and that's the typical story. To SLL's point "By focusing almost exclusively on the political and economic, Rand is rendered a mouthpiece for essentially a Libertarian agenda"...I understand where he's going here, and no disagreement, but realize people that would tune in for just that part of the message are in the millions. I'd love for the crowd that showed up for "2016" to have seen this movie. A lot probably would have - if they knew it was even there to see.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 7 months ago
    I could excuse AS1 not being as good as it could have because of time constraints imposed by the rights deadline, and the lack of movie production experience.
    Instead of improving the product after AS1, quality declined in AS2 and again in AS3.
    While I admire the AS movie producers for doing it when no one else would, quality is more important in the battle of ideas than just completing a product, especially when the media is controlled by the enemy. The marketplace is strewn with the carcasses of companies who didn't take the time and care needed to perfect good ideas. The AS movies are another such casualty.
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  • Posted by dreadrocksean 9 years, 6 months ago
    ASIII was absolutely and unequivocally horrible. I was embarrassed mostly but also really sad and deflated. I thought ASII was really good. I love the performances of Hank and Wesley. I was scared of Wesley. Hank was incredible and I hoped that he would remain in ASIII.
    I don't know what happened behind the scenes but this should NOT have been released. It was a high-school play on film. The acting was terrible, the directing was negligent, the editing was amateur, the story was mangled.

    But even as I walked out of the cinema with the aforementioned emotions, I couldn't help but acknowledge the inspiration I felt. Then I realized that, though mangled, the story itself is a winner. In vast contrast to the current Box Office leader, The Equalizer - starring Denzil Washington. I walked away feeling - nothing. I want those 2 hrs back.

    Just imagine the effect on viewers, when, yes when, this movie is done right!
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  • Posted by lizsue 9 years, 6 months ago
    My son (adult) & I saw ASIII yesterday in the New Orleans area. He and I were the only 2 there which was disappointing to me, Maybe the time we went played some part.. (we went at 2:00 in the afternoon on a weekday)

    I enjoyed the movie and my son, who has not read Rand, nor seen parts I and II, enjoyed the movie. His comment was "much better than I expected" -(I blame that on me because I told him he would probably not like. As I am disabled, I needed someone to go with me and he was "the one".)

    As far as the movie, as I said, I did like it. There were some negatives.. I missed seeing something more of Hank Rearden (other than a quick flash),, and I thought that Fransico was miscast in this, but overall, with the low budget, it was done well. I will be purchasing the DVD to go with my DVD's of parts I & II.

    I never did see any advertisements for the movie. A friend of mine heard Glenn Beck push it so she went the day before I did.. (and enjoyed it as well) I feel the lack of promotion had a lot to do with the poor attendance. And all the reviews I read were so negative they would discourage anyone who read them. I do not think a lot of people who are Rand fans even knew about this so they did not attend.

    I guess all I have to say is that I was not disappointed in the movie, will get the DVD, and will continue to "talk about it to others". Unfortunatly, today is the last showing here in New Orleans (It ran from the 12th thru today)
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  • Posted by ReadMyLips88 9 years, 7 months ago
    Beyond the obvious technical/production deficiencies in AS3 (and they were so many, it soured me early on), the most disappointing aspect of AS3 was how little emphasis the big Galt speech received compared to how overemphasized the John/Dagny tryst in a hall closet received. I'm sure I imagined it, but it seemed as though the tryst had more screen time.

    As to your analysis, I cannot dispute much it. There's a well know quote about Rand's "Virtue of Selfishness", where she was asked why she gave the book that title: "I chose it for the same reason that you object to it." That pretty much sums up her bold approach, which the third movie lacked in particular. I thought the first two were are least palatable, even if not highly promoted. I strongly feel as though Rand is spinning in her grave after the release of AS3.

    Too bad she didn't allow Al Ruddy to make AS in the early seventies. That would have been a movie for the ages.
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  • Posted by Danno 9 years, 7 months ago
    Recognizing AS films had a limited budget, I factored that I into my viewing. The challenge was like writing poetry. In this light I very much liked AS1. I was on the fence for AS2 until I saw it again on the small screen to give it a lesser thumbs up. AS3 I have to give a thumbs down due to the patched together sense I got viewing it. Why was Rob Morrow even in the film?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 7 months ago
    Thanks! I agree with your analysis. Allow me to add that if you read the "Objectivish" boards, you will find many people who knew about the movies and stayed away on purpose.

    First, the die-hard supporters of the Ayn Rand Institute (and of Leonard Peikoff, in particular), refused to sanction anything sanctioned by the Atlas Society (and David Kelley, in particular). They are a small number, but a core constituency. In point of fact, Peikoff helpled to make a trailer to attract investors; that was before "Fact and Value."

    Second, even outside of the ARI, if you read Rebirth of Reason and Objectivist Living, you will find a lackluster response and dead silence about the movies. OL carries more criticism of the films because the owner, Michael Stuart Kelly, does not enforce Objectivism. On RoR, the owner, Joseph Rowlands does enforce Objectivism, though allowing a wider latitude than "Objectivism Online" which prohibits criticism of the ARI. Betsy Speicher's "For Rand Fans" also carried sparse comments, mostly negative, with a few posters saying that they would not attend any such production at all. Largely, after the first episode was released, very few active writers in the Objectivish blogosphere were sanguine.

    I was. If you read my reviews on NecessaryFacts, you will see that I accepted the limitations and trade-offs. Online on the other boards, as here, my reply to critics was always that they should feel free to do the better job of which they implicitly claim to be capable.

    But my review of AS3 did contain a spate of criticisms. I was motivated by the same point you make here: They compromised.

    John Aglialoro endorsed the Christian Right (see for example here: http://www.christianpost.com/news/christ...). And his stepson,
    Mark Henderson (Soul of Atlas here http://soulofatlas.com/) endorses "virtues" that are antithetical to the philosophy of Objectivism developed by Ayn Rand. "The conservative message, and view of America is that we are a nation of steely-eyed missile men with our eyes on a far horizon. We believe in loud guns, hot women, and fast cars."

    I have a few more things to buy from the store here, both for myself and for my daughter who got a credit for her donation of props. I will buy the DVD as soon as it comes out, again another for my daughter, but a third for my ex. (Here in the Gulch: http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/22...)

    The productions could have been better, but even _The Godfather_ could have been better. Steel could be stronger; water could be wetter; Mars could be closer. I am happy that the movies were made.
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    • Posted by Lynda_Townsend 9 years, 7 months ago
      "but even _The Godfather_ could have been better"

      How?

      Anyway, not if Aglialoro and Kaslow had been involved. Thankfully, they weren't.

      The difference is that the foundational elements of a solid film were already in place at the start of shooting The Godfather: a taut screenplay (intent on telling a story to the audience, and not preaching a "message" to them); first-class acting talent, and a first-class director. I should also mention the critical contribution to that film's artistic and commercial success made by Coppola's cinematographer, Gordon Willis, a master of low-key, shadowy, lighting, as well as a master of lens choice.
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  • Posted by MicheleGM 9 years, 7 months ago
    I think a lot more could have been done with free public relations. Newspapers like Investors Business Daily could have helped spread the word. If the producers follow through with a mini-series, they should pursue the leverage that friendly media outlets give to word of mouth.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 7 months ago
    There a allot of people that are simply not paying attention to the subject and that do not believe anything bad can happen in this country. Even the poor are rich here. They will pay more attention to what is going on in the NFL, that is not really as big a problem than it is anywhere else, than to want to learn anything else. I have yet to see this edition so I cannot critique it butI also think this time of the year is a tough time to release a new movie. My point is, just like the book AS, these movies will have a greater impact in the future than they will right now. My 2 cents.
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