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Apollo 13

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 7 months ago to History
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When we knew engineers were heroes
SOURCE URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3RSqdj_VnY


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  • Posted by LionelHutz 9 years, 7 months ago
    All of these men were brave heroes - every last one of them from Mercury through Apollo. The engineering and project management were a testament to how to do the job right. It's nice to see a documentary like this. The dramatic film The Right Stuff tarnishes the story of Gus Grissom and Ron Howard's Apollo 13 likewise tarnishes Jack Swigert. For further reading:
    http://articles.latimes.com/1995-07-17/e...
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    • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 7 months ago
      Gee, you mean Hollywood did NOT do an accurate portrayal of historical events? Say it isn't so!
      Actually, I thoroughly enjoyed (and own) both movies, along with a large number of other fictions and fantasies. I don't look to Hollywood for fact, just entertainment.
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      • Posted by LionelHutz 9 years, 7 months ago
        Inaccurate portrayals of events are routine in Hollywood, of course. I love both of these films and own copies of both of them. However, it is a major irritant that both of these movies impugn the character of men who are dead and therefore aren't around to set the record straight.
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  • Posted by Theocles 9 years, 7 months ago
    I have used the Apollo 13 mission as a teaching tool for kids. An unreal set of circumstances showing the true excellence of man and his abilities.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
      It shows the true spirit of engineers and inventors. Unlike Hollywood, which constantly wants to show inventors as socially awkward buffoons,working on idiotic ideas.

      This movie show that engineers and inventors are heroes who accomplish amazing things.
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    • Posted by servant74 9 years, 7 months ago
      Yes, a great teaching tool. Teamwork, but also the principle that throwing more resources at a problem doesn't fix the problem faster.

      They brought in a small team that was already familiar with the domain of the problem. Then they asked capable people to do super human things (problem solving wise). Multiple groups worked on different aspects to gt a solution that really worked.

      I have seen similar things done several times in my career in business. Where 'adding resources' beyond those that the team can quickly and logically assimilate just makes for to many cooks in the broth kind of problem, and nothing gets really accomplished.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago
    Talk about heroes. We are Americans and we simply breed such men and women. I often wonder if they realized how primitive their technology was compared to today. Even if they did, I doubt if that would have deterred them. Those men and women are still out there, bravely training with no hope of accomplishing anything near the Apollo missions. The Moonbase should be 20 years old by now and Mars should be well targeted. What happened to us? The question is rhetorical.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 years, 7 months ago
    A great posting, thanks. The engineers were the true heroes, and the whole team worked together, trusted each other, and succeeded together. Even knowing how it ended, I got emotional watching it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 7 months ago
    That happened way back when I was a supply clerk in the Marines. I recall walking around in a state of high suspense and checking out the barracks TV when off-duty. It was almost as bad as also living through the Cuban Missile Crisis, both having a happy ending. .
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 7 months ago
    I grew up during the Project Apollo era. I remember Apollo 13. The one mission that was definitely not routine. They lost the moon, and almost lost their lives.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 7 months ago
    Apollo, brings back a lot of memories. Back in the early 60's I was a Rocket Scientist (really just a technician) at Rocketdyne Test Facility in the Santa Susana Mountains over looking the San Fernando Valley and Simi Valley. We tested all of North American's rocket engines there from the littel thrusters (1.5 lbs thrust) up to Apollo's Second Stage J2 Engine (~240,000 lbs thrust) of the Saturn V Vehicle. The first stage, the F1 Engine (1.5 million lbs thrust) was tested up in the desert at Edwards AFB. I loved that job, driving up that little mountain in my '56 T-Bird, especially when I could leave the hardtop at home. A few years later I got this "Greatings for Uncle Sam" letter. My boss told me he could get me a deferment if I woud relocate to Mississippi. It scared me, I didn't particularly like heat, humidity, and bugs so I elected to take my chances with the Army.

    I went to Basic, AIT (Heavy Weapons Infantry), OCS (so I could afford my house payment), spent a year as Asst S3 in a towed 105mm unit at Fort Sill, and a year in Vietnam as XO of an 8-inch and 175mm Self Propelled Battery. Did I make the right choice? Other than the truth about heat, humidity, and bugs (plus snakes, scorpions, and few tigers) I think I did. Even at my old age (from 24-27) while in the servcie I learned a lot about people and about the world. I think it's something every American should experience, but then again I'm probably prejudiced.

    PS - My ex wife traded that T-Bird in on a Biscayne while I was over there. I cried when I got a letter from the new owner wnating to know what had been done to it. He was doing a full professional restoration. Two tops (hard and soft), Yo-Yo Kit, Spinners, Portholes, Tuck and Roll, Telescopic Steering, damn I wish I had it back. But then again I finally got my Corvette a few years ago at age 70 (me, not the Corvette). And it's got an Atlas Shrugged sticker on the back. http://lh5.ggpht.com/-d9cPvHvnJmkuSEkddH...
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 9 years, 7 months ago
    The thing that really struck me about this was the focus that the engineers in Houston, the NASA contractors, and the astronauts put into solving the problems encountered along the way. They were able to compartmentalize their emotions and focus on the problems at hand. That ability allowed these three Americans to survive.

    Thanks for posting!
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 7 months ago
    Sadly, we can't build a Saturn V rocket today. Literally. The production lines are long gone as are many of the companies that built it themselves. Most of the engineers are dead or long retired, taking with them invaluable knowledge. NASA is spending billions trying to build a new heavy lift rocket, and thus far, has little to show for it. SpaceX will beat them to it for far less money. Elon Musk is in some ways a modern day Hank Reardon.
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    • Posted by servant74 9 years, 7 months ago
      Personally, I think we could produce a Saturn V today, but we would need to re-engineer it so the engineers of today could understand it in their own terms. ... Yes, as a society we have no sense of the value of corporate or project history.

      As a computer scientist/programmer/engineer (mechanical by training) I know that we need to re-think problems from scratch, but we should do and evaluate the 'new' ideas with understanding the older ideas and implementations so we don't throw out the 'baby with the bath water'.

      IMHO we got scared when a shuttle or two went down. As a society we are so 'event risk adverse' rather than being 'system risk averse' (we would rather lose a few thousand people a year in cars than less than a dozen in a shuttle crash or 300 in an aircraft crash). We have also traded 3000 lives (think 9/11 here) for 10,000 or more service peoples lives, let alone non-combatants on the 'other side'. -- I am not pro or anti-war. War, like any other endeavor of humanity, is just another balance we all need to reach collectively our value equation balance. I just wish we had had a Reagan around to deal with them.
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      • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 7 months ago
        Fivedollargold isn't sure we even have copies of the schematics for those marvelous, reliable engines. NASA did try to reconstruct the second stage engine, but decided they were "overpowered" for their needs.
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        • Posted by servant74 9 years, 7 months ago
          One of the geek type 'makers' I have followed over the years has been de-constructing some Apollo era custom circuit boards. This maker is an electronics engineer by training. She is highly impressed with what she has seen. Some of the basic technology used then isn't being done now, and getting 'space rating' for any equipment has been very expensive both then and now.

          Back in the Apollo era, vehicle technology could be compared by the $/lb, and still can be. Think mid '60s, $1/lb for a car ($3000 for a 3000 lb car), $10/lb for many aircraft - was not far off, and spacecraft was considered to cost about $100/lb.

          Today, roughly 50 years later with inflation, cars are $10/lb (cheap 2000 lb car for $20K), 1200 lb personal aircraft for $120K is not unusual, so we can extrapolate toe $1000/lb for spacecraft doesn't seem to far fetched to me. A 100,000 lb spacecraft costing $100Million isn't to far off, and possibly low. The russians are making $$ sending our 150# astronauts into space for $80Million each (but that does cover all costs, just like we have to cover with any transportation means). We seem to be going for quite a bit less for 'non-live' cargo especially that don't need to be retrievable, like the re-supply ships we have beenb sending, but I don't have the numbers currently available.)
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 7 months ago
      that likes lots of government money...
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      • Posted by fivedollargold 9 years, 7 months ago
        To be fair, NASA was caught in a political "draw and quartering" of sorts. Bush Jr told them to set Mars as their primary goal. Obama doesn't care about space exploration. And Congress just wants to divide up the pork. The NASA model worked in the sixties when everyone was on the same page. It doesn't work today. To make matters worse, Obama has politicised the agency as he has done with most, if not all, other Federal agencies. He appointed an administrator who immediately tried to link NASA with the Muslim world.
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        • Posted by servant74 9 years, 7 months ago
          Agreed for the most part. NASA was given a 'space race mandate' in '60, and it was a national priority (it was a boon to the national economy even with the pork involved, let alone national pride, as well as being a boon for the military, spook, communications/business, and scientific communities).

          Bush 43 tried to give us a new 'mandate' but it didn't hit all the right chords to resound through the nation. BO has done his best (probably un-intentionally or unknowingly, but that part doesn't matter - I don't give him much credit for being more than a figurehead, but he might be) to discard NASA as irrelevant.

          I don't know (haven't followed that closely) the NASA/Muslim link you suggested. If it is true, this is another BO program that boondoggled to be something irrelevant from BOs perspective.

          IMHO, NASA needs a new 'moon mission' - a large goal with more than minimal funding and wide base support from individuals, scientists, and politicos. It must have a national goal other than 'just pride' in mind. 'Just defense' projects haven't flown since the '50s when ICBM bunkers were built. The Interstate Highway System (FDR started, but was credited mostly to Eisenhower) was a defense system that has had HUGE payoff to the public both directly and commercially (while being more or less still good for defense, depending on who you ask).

          If the new 'moon mission' is Mars, Saturn, Alpha Centauri or wherever, we still need a national (and even international - but that is harder to deal with - check out the ISS) goal that is 'big' to accomplish as a people.
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          • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
            It was incredible from a technology point of view, but it was not good for the economy - better than welfare, but still a net loss.
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            • Posted by servant74 9 years, 7 months ago
              I don't have the numbers to dispute, but from what I saw it was a net win. Spin Offs generated more net new development than did the 'exploration' part. The same technologies (from Teflon production to micro-circuits and hardening, let alone medical studies and techniques) may have been eventually developed, but the moon program specifically caused an acceleration in the development and deployment. A comparatively little amount of 'basic research' was done, but lots of development. Reduced many of the deployment times for many of the technologies by 10 to 20 years or more. Again, just my thoughts, with no empirical data to base it on.

              The only thing welfare did that was 'good' was to hand out the stockpile of gov't cheese and clean out the warehouses we really didn't need. LBJ did that. They just kept up the handouts past the already subsidized cheese state (or anything else that was long term perishable or had to be stored because of price supports).
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  • Posted by jimslag 9 years, 7 months ago
    I also grew up in the Apollo era but I had an advantage to it. My uncle work for Burroughs Computers and was on loan to the US Government. He was attached to NASA at Cape Kennedy and I got to spend summers with my aunt uncle in Florida. I actually got to see a couple of launches and got a tour of the facilities more than once. This is what started my interest in science and industry. Some of the people who were friends of my uncles were some of the brightest individuals of their time.
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  • Posted by JCLanier 9 years, 7 months ago
    NealS: Great car! Great sticker! From the humidity and insects of the South (Mississippi) to the jungles of Vietnam ...umhhh. As far as acquiring experience- you made the right decision and lived to use it.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 7 months ago
    I was able to download this video and convert to
    DVD for your tv's DVD player. will mail a copy
    to any gulcher who will promise to show it
    to children who might not ever learn
    the real story, otherwise.

    no cost. DVD-R, 40 minutes. -- j

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    • Posted by LionelHutz 9 years, 7 months ago
      I'm not positive, but I think that action violates the YouTube Standard License, section 4A, here:
      https://www.youtube.com/static?template=...
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      • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 7 months ago
        wellsir, I see that I must withdraw my offer, since I
        have inadvertently crossed a line. my apologies. -- j

        p.s. I used Freemake video downloader, and
        Freemake video converter -- came in as an MP4
        and converted "to DVD" -- that was the option
        used. maybe personal use is ok.

        p.p.s. I have sent a memo to YouTube asking for
        permission to give out free copies. will update as
        a reply may be received.



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