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Liberty and Simple Pleasures.

Posted by Eudaimonia 9 years, 7 months ago to Philosophy
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Tonight, Joan and I went to T-Joes, a Wyoming saloon located outside the Cheyenne city limits.

"Saloon" is a type of business designation in Wyoming.
A saloon can not be established in city limits, but can be outside of them within the county area.

At a saloon, patrons who sit in the bar area can
a) drink alcohol
b) eat food from the kitchen
c) smoke... that's right, *smoke*.

Today was my birthday.
For my birthday dinner I had a marinated rib-eye, two fingers of Maker's Mark neat, and an Ashton Heritage.

This would never have happened legally in Connecticut without special dispensation (cigar event held when restaurant was normally closed).

It is easy to forget the little liberties which have already been lost.
It was nice to have the simple pleasure of one of them back.


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 7 months ago
    Happy Birthday! After reading this page, I went to get a coffee refill. On the way back it popped into my head something that I learned from watching TV a few months back. The original operations desks at Cape Canaveral mission control came with ash trays built into their left side counter tops! Believe the one I saw was in a museum. An ash tray did not come with the last two cars I bought.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 7 months ago
      When I first started here we used to have those chrome ashtray stands (the ones where you pushed a button and they "cleaned" themselves) in all the offices, cafeterias, and waiting areas. They all vanished years ago, but I understand they're collectors items. Most of us had those "beanbag" ashtrays, either in our vehicles or on the corner of our desks... fought like hell as they eroded our rights on this.

      Bit of California Trivia - There are *almost* no exceptions to the "no smoking within a state office building or within 20 feet of a doorway" rule... however... when Schwarzenegger was elected, he had a separate "lounge" built on the roof of the state capitol (that was in compliance with this rule) that was a "designated smoking area"...

      I wonder what Moonbeam had done with this cool bit of "California Gold"...
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 7 months ago
    Happy Birthday Eud. Are you sure you had a good time? Was the meal sanctioned as "healthy" by Michelle? Was anyone offended by your cigar smoke? Wouldn't it have been better if you filled out numerous permits and got permission...okay I'll stop now. Sounds like you made a good choice to move.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 7 months ago
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
    Mine was July 7th. I was supposed to be born on the 4th, but came late. My Mom was in labor for almost two days -- caesarians were very rare in those days. Years later, my mom said rather wistfully to me, "You were always stubborn."
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  • Posted by WyoJim1963 9 years, 7 months ago
    I guess I should mention that being from Casper I generally have no use for Cheyenne and their politics. I've suggested that we donate Cheyenne and Laramie to Colorado in exchange for one of their counties.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
      And I can understand why.
      Our move to Cheyenne is only the first step in fully shrugging.
      The Casper area is probably our next move - maybe five years out.
      However bad Cheyenne may be compared to Casper, believe me when I say that it pales in comparison to how bad Connecticut is compared to Cheyenne.

      Step by step, and enjoying the regained freedoms along the way.
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      • Posted by WyoJim1963 9 years, 7 months ago
        I fully agree. Spent some time on the East Coast, and a bunch of time in the Bay Area. When it was time to move was it Denver or Casper. Casper won out easily. It's not easy living in Wyoming, but IMHO it's worth it.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 7 months ago
    When some of my military friends out there retire (should be in a few years), I will most likely, drive out there to be part of the retirement ceremony. When that happens and should you still be living in Cheyenne, I will PM you. It would be great to meet up and chat, you with a cigar, and myself with my Stanwell Legend #83 w/McClelland's Matured Virginia #25...and a Scotch.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 7 months ago
    Yea; We have a local bar and grill here with full smoking rights. An ash tray on every table and every two feet or so on the bar. Serves the best ribeye I think I've ever had and has some of the largest characters as regular customers.

    It's a joy. Congrats on your move and birthday.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 7 months ago
    I take it you like Wyoming a bit :)

    Happy B-Day.

    I like Wyoming too, but I do not live there. Dam wolves kill your cattle there now since someone got the genius idea that wolves would be good to have back in Yellowstone.

    I guess every state has its little problems but some are so much better than others.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 7 months ago
    Ah yes..Maker's Mark neat...I'm with you there!!!
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    • Posted by 9 years, 7 months ago
      That's another thing I like about here.
      I get the feeling that I don't have to specifically ask for a rocks glass.
      In the PRC, if I asked for whiskey neat and didn't specify a rocks glass, more likely than not the whiskey would come in a distinctly unmanly snifter.

      So I think my drink orders just got shorter too.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 7 months ago
    Happy B-day and I'm so glad to hear you are enjoying Wyoming. I'll acknowledge that Wyoming has some liberties not found in CT (I have two friends from CT who come out hunting each year and stay at my place) like carrying concealed or open with no permit needed and am aware of the distinctions. I've been in Wyoming over half my life (36 years vs my first 35 in Southern California). Wyoming had an opportunity yesterday to choose a different, less-government direction, and didn't do it. Current Gov Matt Mead (one of the long time controlling families) beat Taylor Haynes in the GOP primary. Good Ol' Boy politics played a part in that process and I guess I'll just have to hunker down and make the best of it until they plant me and I start pushing up daisies...
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  • Posted by Skycaptain 9 years, 7 months ago
    A Coworker and I sat in an large open patio in a restaurant in Manhattan Beach. The only patrons that afternoon. We lit up 2 cigars and then a middle aged couple came to the restaurant and amazingly took the table right next to us. They complained about the cigars to the manager and we had to leave. That was 20 years ago. So it is in the People's Republic Of California.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 7 months ago
    Happy birthday!
    Although I would not have stayed in your vicinity had I been at the saloon (cigar smoke makes me nauseous) I am happy that you are enjoying freedom.
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