but i still gave you points because i consider you better than that and worth debating the issue which other folks cannot do....so ? Don't get mad get even....don't get upset it's your clock and there is no timer..

still dodging ducking weaving....you don't think just change the subject. that's what you call a direct comment.....

Something in my knowledge of Citizens United and the way your wrote the comment. The rest of your answer was anr attempt at reframing but having nothing to do with anything was only an attempt.

You are judged by the words you use and a real dictionary....not by the words you try to put in others comments.

I would appreciate being judged by the words I use and a pre-PC dictionary. I'm perfectly capable of putting my own foot in my own mouth assuming some one else hasn't used the space first.

Citizens United is not exactly a Constitutional Centrist forum..the attempt is the kick off for getting the much wanted 'direct contact' prohibition lifted.

One of their biggest supporters is George Lakoff and the Secular Progressives.....read his elephant book. It's in the end pages...along with a really nice but a little twisted version of the whole money as free speech scam.
Except he takes credit for that.

OK to destroy your liberal reasoning. Unions may not donate because they may not vote. They may work within their own group to influence the vote. Corporations may not because they may not vote. Etc. etc. etc. Which is the way it should read instead of Citizens votes may be bought and sold.

Any entity that may not vote should confine it's activities to it's own group. If the candidate didn't have fight big bucks interfering it might be just a tid bit easier but then I'm talking all levels you are stuck worrying about the upper crust. Which is where those wealthy enough to buy votes usually reside. There is a whole series of articles of information but you have to be able to read...up in the archives...that tracks how this idiotic idea came to be law and not one amendment involved. ust bought and paid for judges....IF you can afford their buying price.

I am a union member we also got to donate tax payer money courtesy of Davis Bacon inflated local wages and watch them laundered into campaign funds. If we wanted to work we had to chip in stated amounts. it's a huge criminal enterprise but when you sought to defend unions you walked right into it and federal employees are the worst of the lot. And that status was one of my unions.

the current law nationwide per the Supreme Court is money is free speech and anyone through a PAC or Super Pac or any corporation including LLC may donate any amount to any political purpose anywhere without restriction. I couldn't find a restriction in that conservative court passed opinion to restrict foreign funding.

The current effort is to change that deleting the need to go through a PAC or other such organization...

If you want to see those candidates win move there and sign up to vote as a local citizen of the state, city, county or whatever. But then the rest of us don't have the money to buy as much free speech as some of you.....

Fine...you get two choices left wing of left and right wing of left.

No wonder the Constitution and the Republic is dead.

The reason we used to have 50 separate states was to provide for differences and that used to mean much more than your big bank account versus my small one.

It isn't worth fighting for...I am so glad we never swore an oath to the country. Which just leaves the Constitution and I hope the military does do it's duty and take over...

Civilians don't have what it takes to run a constitutional Republic...too many on the take
and willing to crap on everyone else's rights and freedoms for their own narrow interests.

So learn this it' s your thoughts reduced to a sentence.. 'I have the right without explanation to take all of your rights without exception.'

It's exactly what you just said you stood for.

Well you aren't in the fight unless the left wing gangs up on you and I've got the minus points to prove it. What are they afraid of? They already have rigged the elections and excluded nearly half the population... Sorry Comrades I don't serve your party

Excellent summation. It won't be debated straight up and up front all you will get is propaganda and personal opinion disguised as something more than it is. In short...you'll get BS and Hot Air. But points for putting it so neatly.

Citizens United doesn't stop there. They are now going after the right for anyone with money to directly approach and fund candidates and elected officials. In some places that's called bribery or mordida. Here it's not called influence peddling and buying it's called free speech. No more need to use Pacs, super Pacs, or corporations. as bagmen.

But you are talking only Presidential level races for the two federal positions. Are you considering the State level positions? The State delegates to the federal government. Are you considering the internal state positions Governor and legislative and judicial. How about cities and towns the Mayors and councils? County Commissioners...Should money along be the driving factor in the election of key officials in areas where the donor does not live and is not registered to vote simply because they are richer than Hillary? think of it htis way If you MAY NOT vote you MAY NOT contribute. Doesn't deny anyone the right to donate at the top level for President or Vice President. Doesn't deny anyone the right to contribute within each State for the State level positions. But it protects the lowest precincts from ward heelers who live fifteen states awaway . The precinct voters pamphlet and ballot is the guiding factor. If you have no geo-political interest why, besides being rich, do you have the right to interfere? Use that one sentence and leave the right to donate as much as they want with no limit...within their own voting precinct's. And tell me what do you get out of this money is free speech crap? Answer your vote becomes a corporate commodity but you get nothing. it's a one sided deal If money is free speech then free speech should have a value from ALL. What did you get paid?

Ah yes that's right you didn't get a thin dime. and al the thin dimes in your precinct went to someone from New York City when you live in Elkol, Nevada. "

They not only control your precinct you got nothing for it? That went o ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN and the New York Times....

When you sell out...you should get paid..... when they buy you they should pony up some cash for their purchase....Otherwise money is not free speech it's just another way of rigging the election.

Why shouldn't he...he's to the left of the Rinos anyway they should be funding him.